Steel Lynx Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I bought my 2010 Anniversary Edition in 2013. Apart from servicing, tyres, wipers and petrol, it's not cost me a penny. It's the most reliable car I've ever owned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Ultimately are you going to find anything cheaper with the same performance and the same age that's going to be any more reliable, or any cheaper to replace bits than a 370? I'm not sure you would, so you're already taking the safe option by considering one. Buy from a dealer, get a full inspection done by a specialist before purchase, and I reckon that's about as safe as you'd need to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) As Dan says, a 370Z is pretty much your best bet. I'm gonna make an assumption your criteria is along the lines of: - < 7 years - <50k miles - <6 secs 0-60 - (Semi-)Auto - RWD - Sporty Coupe - Reliable and relatively cheap to maintain Personally, I'd instantly rule out anything German, unless you are buying new, so no VAG stuff, Mercs or Bimmers. The Alfa Romeo Giulietta, Focus RS, Peugoet 308 GTI, Renault Megane Renaultsport, Seat Leon Cupra, and Vauxhall Astra GTC are all FWD hatchbacks and probably only as reliable as the 370Z if not less so. If you don't mind compromising and getting a sedan, you could potentially pick up: Mitsubishi Evo X - Excellent performance, but AWD and repair bills will be even higher Lexus GS 450h - Bulletproof, but a bit boring. CVTs are no fun either Subaru WRX - Another AWD, but might be a bit better for reliability Jaguar XF V6 - Reliability is supposed to be pretty good on Jags these days, but a 370 is still gonna be more fun and probably cheaper to run The only other option, which admittedly is VAG, but probably beats the 370Z in every way is a Porsche Cayman / Boxster. They are supposed to be very reliable, but if something does go wrong, the bills can get scary big, and fast. So there you have it, the 370Z is the best mix of performance and reliability. Get one Edited December 9, 2016 by Strudul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinaman Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Boxster / Cayman reliable? No no no.... I think one of the only cars that meet a comparison is the BMW Z4... maybe Audi TT.. But if you want one with 300bhp+ And a similar year/mileage then you will pay plenty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 987B/C is very reliable, and day to day running costs (including servicing) are equivalent to the 370. It's just when they do go wrong, they go very wrong. As long as you get an inspection done, you'll be fine. Boroscope is vital though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) Audi have one of, if not THE, worst scores for reliability. The Z4 can be alright, but it's still gonna cost you more than the Z34. I know it's surprising, but the results show that Porsche are actually very reliable. I spent a considerable time looking into them, but eventually settled on a Z33 as they are cheaper when things do go wrong (and look better ). Edited December 9, 2016 by Strudul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Same goes for all cars, a warranty or rainy day fund is a must have. I've been there with the warranty situation, I have a 2011 manual, got it 2 years ago with I think about 29k miles. It came from the original dealer, it was back from the original owner and came with the factory 12 months cared4 warranty. Lucky for me because just short of 12 months later and while getting the mot and service done, shifting into 6th gear had a meltdown! It would occasionally play up before that point but I didn't realise it was an issue and thought it was me being a sloppy shifter. Suspect it was because the previous owner used to drive in 6th with hand on the shifter. This wasn't a cheap fix. And I can see it as a good thing it happened. It means that now I've had a repair done by a GTR specialist and also have the comfort of knowing the box has been inspected which isn't feasble while buying a car, I was also able to justify to myself having an improved clutch put in while the work was being done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I think the 7at is about £7k from Nissan, used ones seem to go for £500-£1000 from breakers they are a pretty sturdy gearbox , they do have a limit when tuned but anything shy of FI is ok IME they are much more reliable than the manual gearboxes , I've only heard of one failure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Any used car can go wrong, whatever manufacturer you go with - Nissan happen to have a pretty good reputation like most of the global brands which sell hundreds of millions of cars. If you are seriously that worried, pay what you have to for a warranty. Otherwise do what the rest of the world does and buy a car you want and deal with any issues as part of the ownership experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinaman Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 987B/C is very reliable, and day to day running costs (including servicing) are equivalent to the 370. It's just when they do go wrong, they go very wrong. As long as you get an inspection done, you'll be fine. Boroscope is vital though. 987 isn't a reliable car at all... Engine problems are rife, boroscope can see what's happening on the day.. A week later you could be into a full rebuild.. Even the DFI units are now starting to score bore .. Gearboxes have poor detents and syncro's and jump out of gear.. Poor engineering with big price tags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The M96/97 engines do not score up over night, that's just preposterous nonsense Failure rate is roughly 10% if you take the averages, and a carefully warmed up engine given full beans at the appropriate points will likely be fine. IMS failure is more haphazard, however later ones have proven resilient or you could just put the LNE kit in and be done with it. Add a third rad and the LTT, and the engine should be fine for many miles. DFI units are not scoring any more than any other engine in the world (I can only assume you're referring to Baz's post the other week), including the ones in the Zeds. Gearboxes are strong as anything, and certainly stronger than the many issues we've seen in the 350. Tiptronic and PDK 'boxes have proven themselves tough, too. I mean, if you're going to criticise them then criticise them on the costs to repair if things go wrong, but at least understand what you're talking about before you label the 9x7 cars as unreliable. I said get an inspection first, and yes, if the bores are showing signs of damage then walk away. As long as that's all good, then you end up with the finest sportscars sensible money can buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinaman Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Aye.. I have only had 7 engines out of 98x cars and had them rebuilt.. I take it that you know about the piston liner failure that causes the scoring? Presume so.... depending on what bits fall off bore degradation can be rapid... Let's not get into the chains that snap or the ims bearings that collapse... Feel free to roll the dice.... 10% is a fair estimate but it's not a game I will play anymore... had 3 x 911's and they have all been @*!#.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenAngelX Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Is the rust along the wheel arches fixed from the 350Z days, or is that still an issue with the 370Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 N54 is a forged engine in 35is They are tough but turbo's do fail... and you have to pull the engine to fit new ones...look at £2500-£3000. High pressure fuel pump Low pressure pump Injectors Water pump Vanos solenoids Cam ledge bearings All common things.... Again you need a warranty Unless your N54 had all of this replaced before you bought it And lets be honest, theres a bit more potential in an N54 than a VQ37 at the end of the day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Is the rust along the wheel arches fixed from the 350Z days, or is that still an issue with the 370Z. Don't think it's a problem with the 370, could still occur though. That's not reason enough to put you off buying one though, it really isn't even a major problem on the 350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinaman Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 N54 is a forged engine in 35is They are tough but turbo's do fail... and you have to pull the engine to fit new ones...look at £2500-£3000. High pressure fuel pump Low pressure pump Injectors Water pump Vanos solenoids Cam ledge bearings All common things.... Again you need a warranty Unless your N54 had all of this replaced before you bought it And lets be honest, theres a bit more potential in an N54 than a VQ37 at the end of the day Of course... And so it should with 2 turbo's on from the factory.. I do like the N54 and they can go to big bhp... but for ya man who doesn't realise what he is buying then they can be a shocker for bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Turtle Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 As someone else said, it's just about the most reliable RWD 320bhp car out there. The post 2012 cars particularly so. Are they the last one word in refinement and build quality? No. Would i personally run one out of warranty? No. But the powertrain is fundamentally solid. Things that might cost scary money are the connect premium hdd (£10k?). Off topic but my 9 year old 350z was kinda reliable, just lots of little £100 or £200 bills rather than anything 4 figures. Still left me stranded a couple of times, loved her though! Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Things that might cost scary money are the connect premium hdd (£10k?). That's gotta be a typo? £10k for a hard drive???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenAngelX Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 Thanks for the responses everyone really helped me make an informed decision. I have put a deposit down on a BMW 35IS which i am looking forward to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpinaman Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Good man... Any links? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Things that might cost scary money are the connect premium hdd (£10k?). That's gotta be a typo? £10k for a hard drive???? It's a hell of a lot for a 40gb HDD . Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenAngelX Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) So a 1 year later update to this post! I bought a z4 35is with 32k miles on the clock 12 months ago, it is currently sat at circa 400bhp with a map, and is wrapped in 3M fiery orange :). This car has been great, but i still feel the urge for an amuse 370z! I know the 370z will feel slow after the z4 but there is more to a car than speed for me. I imagine the 3.7l v6 will sound intoxicating with a good exhaust and im keen on the powerband and response of NA engines. Im leaning towards the auto but am worried it will feel dire in terms of shifts. I read it is 500ms per shift in the 370z where the Z4 DCT was 80ms. Additionally how is the 370z on fuel, the Z4 is currently averaging around 12-14mpg (spends alot of time in boost lol) Thanks everyone! Edited November 14, 2017 by FallenAngelX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payco Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Get yourself into a Mark 2 Nismo buddy. Great car and plenty quick enough. I get around 23/25 MPG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Custom map the BMW if you want better figures, mine is well over that power and I average 23mpg driving like an arsehole everywhere, Ive seen 34 on a run. As for going from modded 35s Z4 to 370Z ........ Id have a test drive before you make any firm decisions if I were you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanjuke Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 go for the z its trustworthy , lots of fun,you can modify it to your hearts content, its your japanese aston martin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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