wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) hi guys ... should the new NSF rainsport 3 tyre have the same directional tread as the OSF rainsport 3 ? i rang the supplier last week and mentioned it but he said they were asymmetrical and it didnt matter. reason i ask is iv just been out driving very steady and nearly lost the car twice . something is very wrong. edit yes traction control was on Edited November 11, 2016 by wilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) they're asymmetrical, not directional. so will have an inside and an outside. the two deep continuous grooves should be on the inside and then the diagonal sipes are on the outside. this will give the impression that they go opposite directions to each other, but that's correct! much like this: Edited November 11, 2016 by brillomaster 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I have never used these but most tyres have inside/outside written on them, have you checked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 I have never used these but most tyres have inside/outside written on them, have you checked? yea there fitted so the inside / outside markings are correct but it just looks weird as the tread patern runs backwards on the new tyre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 they're asymmetrical, not directional. so will have an inside and an outside. the two deep continuous grooves should be on the inside and then the diagonal sipes are on the outside. this will give the impression that they go opposite directions to each other, but that's correct! much like this: cheers brillomaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Thats ok, the tread looks odd but its fine, as long as you have them on the right way around. My Vorti's are asymmetrical also and had doubts when I first got them through! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 only other thing different than tyres is iv fitted spigot rings . the new rota gtr was fine but the original 3 rotas were very tight going on the hubs with the spigot rings fitted and had to pull the wheels back to the hubs via tightening the lug nuts one by one . could this cause the car to slip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 no, that wouldn't make a car slip. you maybe needed to clean up the hub faces/insides of the wheels a bit before fitting them. Just how new are the tyres? are they properly worn in yet? i'd normally give a new tyre 200 miles of dry running before I expected them to be performing properly, but that distance is probably longer in the wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 As BM said, its cold out, damp and wet. You need to wear them in, get them heated up. As for the spigots, the hubs should be cleaned back as BM said... ...hell, what he said up there! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Where did you get the spigots, ebay cheap or somewhere reputable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 no, that wouldn't make a car slip. you maybe needed to clean up the hub faces/insides of the wheels a bit before fitting them. Just how new are the tyres? are they properly worn in yet? i'd normally give a new tyre 200 miles of dry running before I expected them to be performing properly, but that distance is probably longer in the wet. the original rainsport 3 on the OSF has plenty of tread . the brand new rainsport 3 on the NSF is a week old but only been out today from its fitting last week. the rears are 6 week old nankangs ...excuse spelling lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 Where did you get the spigots, ebay cheap or somewhere reputable? spigots from trader on here mate . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHEZZA Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Personally I'd would of replaced both fronts with nankangs then if budget allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Is it the fronts slipping or the rears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I'd have binned the Nankangs long before I'd bin the RS3s! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 Personally I'd would of replaced both fronts with nankangs then if budget allowed. darnt spend another penny atm mate ..just forked out 1500 for sevice and mods and then 800 on repairs from hitting that curb .i strongly suspect id be waking up nutless if I spend anymore before xmas . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 Is it the fronts slipping or the rears? front went on roundabout and rear kicked out on way back on a slight right bend. both times at 10-15 mph and scared the crap out of me how it lost control at so slow speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 I'd have binned the Nankangs long before I'd bin the RS3s! to be fair i wasnt keen on the nankangs at first ( going off rumors) but they do seem to grip very well ...i think they are ns2 or something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 I am sure Dan can step in and advise, but different grip levels on the car (front not run in, rears potentially low?) would make it not a nice ride. You shouldnt be losing it at 10mph in any tyre though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Whilst I accept that a lot of this will be down to brand new tyres on the front (especially the understeer entering a roundabout), get used to the odd balance now you've fitted mixed tyres. This is exactly the kind of thing that I warn people about. It'll be fine 90% of the time, then it'll do something completely random (especially in changeable conditions) that'll scare the crap out of you, and leave you with zero confidence in the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 (edited) Whilst I accept that a lot of this will be down to brand new tyres on the front (especially the understeer entering a roundabout), get used to the odd balance now you've fitted mixed tyres. This is exactly the kind of thing that I warn people about. It'll be fine 90% of the time, then it'll do something completely random (especially in changeable conditions) that'll scare the crap out of you, and leave you with zero confidence in the car. do you meen odd balance as in nearly new RS3 and new RS3 on the front? everything was fine with this combo before fitting the replacement RS3 on the new OSF rota gtr . it really was in my mind too slow a speed for it to kick out ....if id of been caning it with traction off i would of expected the out come . im going to take the spigots off Sunday and see how it feels as wasn't keen on the way they fitted to the original 3 rotas ...im assuming they've been re powder coated at some point hence the tight fit on the hubs with the spigots fitted . Edited November 11, 2016 by wilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S11PAV Posted November 11, 2016 Share Posted November 11, 2016 Hi Guys...newbie z'er....have put a couple of previous high performance cars into various immovable objects (z3m and 993) in the wet so well worth takaing advice on sudden traction loss. Have just changed my rear tyres to match the nearly new fronts (mid range falcons) rather than go MPSS rear and falcon front as I really love my new z and would prefer not to break it just yet. When they wear out I'll upgrade. Paul (Bournemouth) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Don't remove the spigots, it's got nothing to do with them. I've had fairly slow over steer moments in the Zed before with decent 4-5mm Hankooks due to greasy roads, it happens us all, just take it easy until you get rid of the Nankangs and the RS3's are worn in a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilo Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 (edited) Don't remove the spigots, it's got nothing to do with them. I've had fairly slow over steer moments in the Zed before with decent 4-5mm Hankooks due to greasy roads, it happens us all, just take it easy until you get rid of the Nankangs and the RS3's are worn in a bit mmmm the rear nankangs were fine before fitting the new RS3 tho with no slip unless giving it some with traction off ..might be the new RS3 needing to bed in as you say ...and okay im going to refit the spigots after iv used some wet and dry behind the 3 original rotas that were tight. id prefer not having to pull the wheels onto the hubs via tightening the nuts . never sanded powder coat before so hope wet&dry sandpaper does the job Edited November 12, 2016 by wilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Don't remove the spigots, it's got nothing to do with them. I've had fairly slow over steer moments in the Zed before with decent 4-5mm Hankooks due to greasy roads, it happens us all, just take it easy until you get rid of the Nankangs and the RS3's are worn in a bit mmmm the rear nankangs were fine before fitting the new RS3 tho with no slip unless giving it some with traction off ..might be the new RS3 needing to bed in as you say ...and okay im going to refit the spigots after iv used some wet and dry behind the 3 original rotas that were tight. id prefer not having to pull the wheels onto the hubs via tightening the nuts . never sanded powder coat before so hope wet&dry sandpaper does the job They were fine up until this time when the roads are cold, possibly greasy etc, thats why you lost it. Says more about the conditions that the tyres. Ref the spigots, did you fit them in the alloy or onto the hub before fitting the wheels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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