Rock_Steady Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 Yeah, they are a little bit rare but all good things come to those who wait. And i've been waiting for a bloody long time so it should be soon FFS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Celica GT-Four for the win 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) I really fancy an integrale one day. The only direct competition for the GTiR really in terms of rally-bred hatches. But I'd sell my soul for a Renaultsport Clio v6. They are quite expensive nowadays, but they are the ultimate hatch, there is nothing that even gets close to the craziness of a short wheelbase, mid engine, rear wheel drive 3 LITRE clio. I've never driven one, but owning one is on my bucket list. Edited November 2, 2016 by Aashenfox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I love the pulsar GTiR because it's a slice of automotive Japanese history that will never happen again. Yep. Looks mental, drives mental and goes like stink, Ive been out in a few 400hp ones and they rather take ones breath away Seeing as I love pointing out where Aashenfox has missed the boat a bit, rally derived hatches also include the 160/185/205 GT4's, Audi Quattro, Glanza/Starlet, Mazda 323 GTX and GT-R, Golf Rallye, Escort Cosworth, even a Lotus Sunbeam at a push - if you can find them the T16's, RS1600 and 1700's, 306 Maxis and R5 Gordinis will make a bit of money in the next few years as well Id have thought. But the winner for me is always the 'grale, they are just a masterpiece to drive, so much character and just all round lovely but the prices have gone from "steep" to "comedy" in the last few years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) I love the pulsar GTiR because it's a slice of automotive Japanese history that will never happen again. Yep. Looks mental, drives mental and goes like stink, Ive been out in a few 400hp ones and they rather take ones breath away Seeing as I love pointing out where Aashenfox has missed the boat a bit, rally derived hatches also include the 160/185/205 GT4's, Audi Quattro, Glanza/Starlet, Mazda 323 GTX and GT-R, Golf Rallye, Escort Cosworth, even a Lotus Sunbeam at a push - if you can find them the T16's, RS1600 and 1700's, 306 Maxis and R5 Gordinis will make a bit of money in the next few years as well Id have thought. But the winner for me is always the 'grale, they are just a masterpiece to drive, so much character and just all round lovely but the prices have gone from "steep" to "comedy" in the last few years It;s all education, and it's all good, however, I didn't miss the boat on this one... I was well aware of (most of) those cars, I even owned an original quattro back in the day (er, back in the day being the late 90s, it was a piece of crap if I'm honest, it had been horribly abused and its head gasket went after I'd had it for 6 months, so not really all that representative), so here's my retort... Peugeot? Not on your nelly. Audi quattro, hardly on par with small hatchbacks Glanza/Starlet, come on, might as well have thrown a fiat Uno turbo in, these are cardboard boxes with wheels. Fords...ok, I'll give you that, they got a few. Golf Rallye - one of my favorite cars of all time, but mentioned in the same breath as GTIR and Integrale? Meh... Where the 6R4? lol I'm with you on the Integrale, I'd prefer one to a GTIR, but hten I'd prefer the bat sh1t crazy 3.0 clio to any of them. If I remember my old Top Gear episodes correctly, a number of F1 drivers had the Clio in their perfect 10 car garages. Edited November 2, 2016 by Aashenfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Pug 205 GTi is an all time great legendary car Anyway you both got it wrong, go back a couple more years and get a Lancia Stratos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) Are there any 205s still with their original panels? I've driven a 205 1.9 plenty, again back in the day, of course, back then it felt like a rocket, but I don't put it anywhere near the 'grale and GTiR, they are an a higher level (my opinion, ya know, others might disagree). Trouble is they all fell apart, like most French cars ultimately do. Stratos, mmmm, but I can't get past the ridiculous looks. Great rally car, idiotic road car. And we are talking about using these homologised cars on the road after all, which is what prompted my original statement that there really isn't any competition (as road cars) to the 'grale and the GTiR. Edited November 2, 2016 by Aashenfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Stratos ......... Not really a hatchback through is it? And Im not really sure what the other reply is about, all of the cars listed are relatively small 4x4's with some element of success rallying, there are more choices out there than just the growler and the GTi-R. Expand it to "youre allowed a boot" and the Evo particuarly shows up the age of the GTi-R The 6R4 is in the same place as the RS200 (and Lancia 037 and S4 if you fancy), I just dont classify them as road cars at the end of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Well you could say the same of the Integrale, many are rusting away falling apart, Lancia were hardly known for solidity back in the day. GTiR from what I understand is a lightweight car with a lump in it from an S13, so would expect it to be quick as the chassis weighs very little (and by all accounts is also prone to falling apart) I remember looking at these briefly before getting the R33 and apart from Ricey telling me I would be a chav for getting one, the forums mentioned the awfully unreliable transmission so I moved away from the idea. I struggle a little to believe a GTiR is the be all and end all of 90s rally cars, or even the Integrale which got comprehensively outdone by Toyota/Subaru/Mitsubishi most years. All that said, the Integrale is a rather special car. I think it was Perfomance Classics or some magazine of that name I read an article comparing the Integrale/Cosworth/GT4 and Integrale won on what the reviewer prefered but it was not night and day like you might think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 GTiR from what I understand is a lightweight car with a lump in it from an S13 S14 actually, 400hp is only a GT2871R and a fuel pump away ....... The forums mentioned the awfully unreliable transmission so I moved away from the idea. Exactly why I never bought one Integrale/Cosworth/GT4 and Integrale won on what the reviewer prefered but it was not night and day like you might think. Now that is interesting - I had an Integrale back in the day (and an HF Turbot) and still feel my heart quicken a bit when they are mentioned but was distinctly underwhelmed by my mates ST185 GT four Sainz when I had a go, I preferred by 200SX by quite a long way. ever tried and EsCos but dont think Ive ever heard anyone say anything bad about the drive, one day .......... Whores for courses I guess but if you ever get a chance to drive an Integrale of any kind rip their arm off, I used to get out of the car sweating from concentrating so hard on piloting it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 They tested an ST205 in the above mentioned test, so a bit unfair in terms of real era (Integrale came along first) - it was a bit of a funny read as I know the guy they borrowed the GT4 from for the test and the reporters testing it said it was a tremendous drive after climbing out stating the grip really was something else, then in the article didn't mention that at all and raved about the Integrale. I guess you cannot always believe what you read in the press there will always be an angle to the article they want to achieve. Doesn't sound so good saying a boring Toyota wins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbitstew Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 But I'd sell my soul for a Renaultsport Clio v6. They are quite expensive nowadays, but they are the ultimate hatch, I nearly bought one just before I bought my zed, prices then were about 8k for a phase 1 and 10->12k for a phase 2. Like you say, the prices have rocketed since then. I read a lot of reviews on them and watched loads of videos at the time. They are really all about the madness of being a rear engined clio, rather than actual performance and handling. I remember when they first came out and everyone was shocked that they were slower than a Renault 5 GTT which could have spaceship performance for little cash. But the mental pumped up aggressive steroid looks of the clio v6 is what really attracted me to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 GTiR from what I understand is a lightweight car with a lump in it from an S13 S14 actually, 400hp is only a GT2871R and a fuel pump away ....... Some S13's got the SR20 albeit with a slightly different turbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 GTiR from what I understand is a lightweight car with a lump in it from an S13 S14 actually, 400hp is only a GT2871R and a fuel pump away ....... Some S13's got the SR20 albeit with a slightly different turbo Dude, Im the chairman of the owners club, Ive got a fair idea about this If you want to get to that level of pendantry, and S13 is actually a booted Silvia that only came with a CA18DET. The SR20DET was found in the PS13 (booted Silvia, JDM only) and the RPS13 (sold here as the S13 200SX). The only UKDM car the SR20DET was only fitted to the S14 (and the Sunny GTi-R, obviously) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 As an obvious Silvia fan, what do you think of the boss rocket bunny kit? I am so seriously considering picking up a banged up s14 and going for it. I think it looks spectacular, what do the Silvia crowd think of it? This image is hotlinked from speedhunters.com, no rights inferred or infringed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Split right down the middle, some think its awesome, some thing its a bit of a waste of a decent S14 - if you want a Charger then go buy a Charger. RB stuff is not cheap either, Id much rather get a nice clean Zenki and just drop it to the floor on sweet rims, thats all an S14 needs really IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 GTiR from what I understand is a lightweight car with a lump in it from an S13 S14 actually, 400hp is only a GT2871R and a fuel pump away ....... Some S13's got the SR20 albeit with a slightly different turbo Dude, Im the chairman of the owners club, Ive got a fair idea about this If you want to get to that level of pendantry, and S13 is actually a booted Silvia that only came with a CA18DET. The SR20DET was found in the PS13 (booted Silvia, JDM only) and the RPS13 (sold here as the S13 200SX). The only UKDM car the SR20DET was only fitted to the S14 (and the Sunny GTi-R, obviously) Its not pedantry at all, some s13's came with the sr20 thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Loving that RB Boss kit - yes a charger would be great but its going to be £25k+ for anything reasonable and LHD. I am really keeping my eye open for an RA28 Celica (sorry gotta love em!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT350 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I thought we only got the CA18DET here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willsy1980 Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) This Focus ST170 I have is an absolute heap. It's been through 6 CV joints in 8 months. My mechanic friends and I can't fathom why. I got rid of mine to buy the Z, for a Ford, way too expensive on parts. Mine cost me £950 for a clutch and fly, £480 for a F'ing alternator ! The steering rack was on its way out and the driveshafts were ready for changing, add in the fact it hated starting when hot. Was looking at another £800-900 to put it right Trade in time.... Bye ! Got a £1000 off the Z for it Hope it wasn't mine you got.... @Coldel One of these ? http://www.classiccarshq.co.uk/ads/sale-ra28-toyota-celica-baby-mustang-mot-tax-1977/ Edited November 2, 2016 by Willsy1980 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) A charger is fat beast, wouldn't handle ANYTHING like the S14. I absolutely love the Boss kit, despite being quite a big hater of muscle cars. I have my own ideas for finishing touches that would take away some of its 'chargerness', and make a it a bit more JDM. Edited November 2, 2016 by Aashenfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 This Focus ST170 I have is an absolute heap. It's been through 6 CV joints in 8 months. My mechanic friends and I can't fathom why. I got rid of mine to buy the Z, for a Ford, way too expensive on parts. Mine cost me £950 for a clutch and fly, £480 for a F'ing alternator ! The steering rack was on its way out and the driveshafts were ready for changing, add in the fact it hated starting when hot. Was looking at another £800-900 to put it right Trade in time.... Bye ! Got a £1000 off the Z for it Hope it wasn't mine you got.... @Coldel One of these ? http://www.classicca...g-mot-tax-1977/ Would have to be the GT not the ST, slightly wider tyres, and you got yourself a rather nice looking car 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Steady Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 While i love the intergrale and the mazda 323f GTR, i think the 323 is more rare than the pulsar and the intergrale is out of my price range unfortunately. So, i think Coldel might be right, my next best option may be to go back the GT-four. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Have mine for ten grand! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) Its not pedantry at all, some s13's came with the sr20 thats all You didnt bother reading the rest of the post then? The S13 ONLY came with a CA18DET, the PS13 and RPS13 came with an SR20DET. Oh, and Celica: Its up for sale I think as well Edited November 3, 2016 by docwra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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