Kharmon Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 So i got pulled yesterday 😳 i was driving around a roundabout well under the speed limit and all of a sudden lost the rear end but pulled it back no problem . I wasnt trying to go fast or even drift as i told the office i put it down to something been slippy on the road surface . he didnt buy it and charged me for driving without due care for others £100 fine and 3 points. I would like to challenge this in court as i really wasnt driving badly and he was about 3 cars back by himself and i arnt sure wever he got footage of it or not neither was he . where do i stand ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Speak to a specialist solicitor if you want to challenge, but even if he has no footage it's still your word against a copper's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Yes, unfortunately youll have a job proving that you werent pulling a cheeky drift. shame, as the difference is bloody obvious to anyone this side of Stevie Wonder. sounds like bored copper with nothing better to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 highly unlikely to go your way without footage or an impartial witness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Take some oil back to the roundabout and take some photos of it as evidence? Actually, that's probably illegal, ignore me... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 From my experience, unless you have a lot of money to play, just take it as it is. If it goes to court and found guilty, expect higher fees and fines, plus legal costs - solicitors, barrister etc. Sorry to hear about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 cars dont just slide on there own 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharmon Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Fair enough thanks for the advice guys hopefully i should be able to do a course he mentioned and avoid the points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Fair enough thanks for the advice guys hopefully i should be able to do a course he mentioned and avoid the points. If there is a chance that you'll get the driver improvement course then that'll be much better for you. Fingers crossed they offer it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modo Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Sounds like the driver improvement course is the way to go, if you get the chance. Do they teach how NOT to get caught? Or how to blag it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Or how to pass the attitude test? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kharmon Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Haha ill let you know how the course is 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Good excuse to install a dash cam - at least it will show you cruising around in traffic and then probably you saying 'wooah phew' when the incident occured 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bounty Bar Kid Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Good excuse to install a dash cam - at least it will show you cruising around in traffic and then probably you saying 'wooah phew' when the incident occured This Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 When you say "well under the speed limit" If for example it's a 50mph road you still shouldn't be entering the roundabout at that speed. Not trying to be condescending but have you considered you were going a little to fast? Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Definitely going too fast if he lost the rear end. Ironically the fact you controlled it went against you: If you'd lost it completely, it would've looked like a mistake rather than doing it on purpose. What does the FPN actually say? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Steady Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Rear rubbers on the limit perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargara Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 As others have said above, not sure how you lose the backend at "well under the speed limit" as OP put it. Theres either something dangerously wrong with your car (tyres, shocks etc), something on the road (in which case others would have spun too...) or OP is telling fibs. The 1st would be admitting your car is unroadworthy, dont do that. The 2nd would mean there are witnesses as theirs spun too The 3rd seems the most likely I think its man up time and take the punishment in all honesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilside z Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Did you have the ESP off, I have not had this experience with it active. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Could have been a diesel spill i guess , thats not uncommon,on on roundabouts ask any biker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 That was my excuse aswell lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINKJ Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Could have been a diesel spill i guess , thats not uncommon,on on roundabouts ask any biker agree - not sure how much it would impact a z though if just one wheel hits it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 quite a lot... slippy diff would sense the lack of traction, and send power to the wheel which isn't slipping. which if that tyre is already busy cornering, it may well break traction as well. not to mention most cars don't like having their cornering grip suddenly cut in half on one axle, possibly more than half if the diesel hits a weighted up outside tyre. had a few nasty experiences running over liquids, was doing a trackday not that long ago and the car in front dropped oil... cue quite a squeaky bum moment as my car and the two cars following me understeered straight off the track. Luckily there was run off available and we managed to fan out and not hit each other! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Odds are that if only one car spun up when going round that roundabout, it ain't going to be a diesel spill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 quite a lot... slippy diff would sense the lack of traction, and send power to the wheel which isn't slipping. which if that tyre is already busy cornering, it may well break traction as well. not to mention most cars don't like having their cornering grip suddenly cut in half on one axle, possibly more than half if the diesel hits a weighted up outside tyre. had a few nasty experiences running over liquids, was doing a trackday not that long ago and the car in front dropped oil... cue quite a squeaky bum moment as my car and the two cars following me under steered straight off the track. Luckily there was run off available and we managed to fan out and not hit each other! you dont drive on the street like you do on a track day though, if your coming off a roundabout flat out and with enough aggression that it can slide the car they probably had a fair reason to look at driving without due care and attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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