Jetpilot Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Netherlands, French and German elections soon, i hope you lot are sitting down or ready at the keyboards, i reckon you're going to have a fair bit more to say about politics and "average" voters yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Apparently there is a huge stash of energy available to the US worth hundreds of billions of dollars which he is going to 'free up' creating 500,000 new jobs. He is also going to bomb IS and take their oil - not sure how they do that, presume he has some very big trucks on standby. Most importantly though he is going to force Nabisco to make Oreos in the US again... Sounds familiar lol If I recall the leave group had no plans on what to actually do or how to actually achieve their goals if they won Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Netherlands, French and German elections soon, i hope you lot are sitting down or ready at the keyboards, i reckon you're going to have a fair bit more to say about politics and "average" voters yet I like the way you've cleverly made out it's us lot and you're above it, despite posting up, nicely done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 One post without opinion, enjoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) One post without opinion, enjoy Makes a change Edited November 9, 2016 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payco Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Off to Florida Saturday for 3 weeks. Interested to gauge the reaction over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Well it was the Floridonians that started the swing...I imagine they will be talking about how Trump is going to quadruple the military size with no money (despite claims he is not a war monger), clear half a trillion in debt in a few years, implement facist and racist policy. Or they will just grunt and say they wanted to shake it up a bit...consequences, what are those? Anyway I am off to an online trading company to buy shares in Mexican construction companies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT350 Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I just couldn't vote for anyone with hair like that. Looks like he skinned a Yorkshire terrier and used it as a wig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Off to Florida Saturday for 3 weeks. Interested to gauge the reaction over there. My parents are out there now. They were there for 2008 and 2012 as well, tbh they've not really noticed much difference between the two: Some people are happy, some are sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payco Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) His hair is more like a chemical explosion in a shredded wheat.. Edited November 9, 2016 by Payco 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogyRev Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 IMO . . Trump played the game to win, which he did and when he moves in to the white house he will not be the same trump we have seen so far. The political aids in the WH will have him on a very short leash, and you never know he might turn out to be ok . . but then again With any luck in 4 years time the US will have realized how utterly ridiculous this whole farce has been and actually have some decent candidates, voting was cast purely on "media coverage" and not by the majority of people actually knowing what they are voting for . . a bit like britexit. anyway I feel for them, I would not know who to vote for . . a bigoted git or a corrupt liar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The biggoted git was also a liar, and pretty corrupt also. But agree, it was a case of lesser of two evils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G1en Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Given that democracy causes so many arguments and anger Whos up for a dictatorship? On a serious note, i have seen programs on Iraq where a lot of people wished Sadaam was still there. Theres a saying, you cant please everyone all of the time. You have to settle for pleasing some people some of the time. Anyone who is a manager will vouch for that. Politics is very similar except that in the run up they try to please everyone for votes then in reality end up pleasing no-one. And people love moaning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Well it was the Floridonians that started the swing...I imagine they will be talking about how Trump is going to quadruple the military size with no money (despite claims he is not a war monger), clear half a trillion in debt in a few years, implement facist and racist policy. Or they will just grunt and say they wanted to shake it up a bit...consequences, what are those? Anyway I am off to an online trading company to buy shares in Mexican construction companies... To be Fair Clinton in one of the debates turned around and said she wouldnt raise a $ on the current Debt then next point said about going to war with her no fly zone, not sure how she planned on enforcing a no fly zone on hopes,dreams and pocket fluff but i guess thats the joys of being a candidate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Somewhat ironically a dictatorship is what TM wants to force through Brexit plans without debate in parliament, something which Farage supports. Brexit was all about returning control to the UK parliament (or it was for a minority anyway) yet when that control is required to lawfully put through constitutional change, those that wanted that control wanted to skip it altogether. The scary thing about the US is that the Reds now control everything, whilst Obama was in he still had to contend with congress and the house - Trump doesnt have that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snjur Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Given that democracy causes so many arguments and anger Whos up for a dictatorship? On a serious note, i have seen programs on Iraq where a lot of people wished Sadaam was still there. I reckon Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans, Afghanistans are thrilled over democracy implementation that didn't went as plan. Must be much easier now to live with tanks, guns, bomb explosion, ISIS all over around than Sadam Sent from my SM-G850F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The scary thing about the US is that the Reds now control everything, whilst Obama was in he still had to contend with congress and the house - Trump doesnt have that problem. Not scary at all IMHO, that's precisely why nothing serious was achieved in his second term. It was all political point scoring by the Reps to not concede any of his policies, even if they were decent. Political scrutiny is all very well and good, but when it stops things being done which need to be done then it just stops the system working, and no-one wins that way. Interesting comments from everyone's favourite Labour leader today, following Trump's success: After this latest global wake up call, the need for a real alternative to a failed economic and political system could not be clearer. That alternative must be based on working together, social justice and economic renewal, rather than sowing fear and division. And the solutions we offer have to improve the lives of everyone, not pit one group of people against another. Americans have made their choice. The urgent necessity is now for us all to work across continents to tackle our common global challenges: to secure peace, take action on climate change and deliver economic prosperity and justice. Now, whilst I don't doubt that he genuinely means well and believes in his way being the correct way, can he not see the absolute irony here? People rejected comprehensively the politics of the socialist left (as they did here last year in the GE), as well as rejecting crap economics (again, Labour) and a ridiculous political system that stops true progress being made (Brexit). The movement across the western world is moving sharply from one where everyone is expected to looks after everyone else, even if that means you lose out, to one where people are putting themselves first and foremost. You may or may not think that's a bad thing depending on your POV, but you can't deny it's happening. Essentially Corbyn is admitting that he's going to stick to his policies despite knowing he'll never ever get a shot in power, because he's preaching exactly what the majority don't want. Now granted, Hillary won the popular vote, but that's irrelevant as she lost the battle. She tried to play the game, and no-one was interested. As soon as she lost she picked her ball up and went home to sulk, leaving all her supporters stuck in a room wondering what the hell was going on. That alone shows why she wasn't getting the votes, and why people saw through her. For all her huggy-touchy rhetoric, she wouldn't have made a better president than Trump. I do feel sorry for her in that she's spent her whole life serving her country (as well as her own needs) only to lose at the final hurdle, but the more I think about this the more I think the US voting populous have made the right choice for the next four years. I'm not saying Trump is perfect, but I am saying that Hillary got what she deserved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The G Man Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's hilarious, someone hit the nail on the head ^^ there, Americans, on the whole, thought this was a game show Just like the way the British electorate are heading. One thing that the Americans have over the UK, at least they got to vote as to who was president, in a peculiar way, a few dozen MPs decided who our PM is. I know, I know, Gordon Brown and the conlabourites did the same, at least you know who you're going to get in America if something happens to the president. I can't wait for the wall to be built, the muslims to be stopped entering, the opposition leader being locked up, the immigrants shipped back to 'their' own country, the generals to be sacked if they don't kick some foreign terrorist groups a4se, I never thought that Brexit voters, sorry the US electorate could be so dimwitted 'Make America Great, Again', has a certain ring in our parallel universe. Back to cars, hope the $ tanks, get back on course with my modding plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The wall already exists, for the most part, where it can practically be built. Nowt wrong with immediately shipping all illegal immigrants back home either. To write a certain group of voters off as dimwitted does a huge injustice to them. Sure, some are idiots, but you get as many thickos on the left as you do the right. They know what they want from their political leaders, and it's not looking after everyone else whilst they suffer. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with that, as certainly in the last decade or so we've (as the western world) swung towards helping those who can help themselves as much as those that can't, and a hell of a lot of people have had enough of that. Sure, as reasoned and educated human beings we should want to help those less fortunate than ourselves, and we should strive to make sure that happens. At the same time, no-one wants to be treated like a fool. And a lot of politicians either do exactly that, or they have an idea of utopia that cannot exist until we sort the basics out first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 If no one wants to be "treated like a fool", doesn't that cover making entirely false promises in order to win, then rescinding them the day after the result? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The G Man Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 There's 651 miles of FENCE along the US/Mexico border measuring over 2000 miles. Legitimate, travelling Muslims are not illegal immigrants, If the electorate believed that these stated goals were going to happen, and voted accordingly, they are dimwitted. Oh I forgot to mention, he also promised to stop importing anything from China and open up all the derelict steel mills, depending on which state he was in (drunk by the sound of it ), dimwitted is probably a compliment if they believed that as well. Years and years of eating GM foods and being belt fed reality shows, dumbs down any electorate, it's been happening here for a few years (minus the GM I suppose), get the people interested in cake baking competitions or Z listers dancing the tango and they won't give a toss what the politicians are getting up to. My opinion, which happens to be right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 You're right, it's fence not wall. I meant wall as in immovable structure, but I absolutely wasn't clear on that and you were right to call me on it. I stand by the fact it's already up where it can realistically be erected, though. May need a few extra fence posts, but I don't see what's wrong with the idea in theory. If that's where most of your illegals come from, is there a better way of stopping them than a physical object? I don't know, but it seems a good place to start. I didn't mention Muslims, I said illegal immigrants. They're who he has specified will be deported day one, which seems an entirely sensible thing to do to me. The Muslim ban I'm unsure on, tbh. Given that all ISIS = Muslim, it seems almost logical to make a blanket ban and go from there. However, given that Muslim != ISIS, and tbh if you were a terrorist you're unlikely to tick that box on the visa waiver on the plane over, it seems to have a huge problem before it starts. I'm ignoring the humanitarian aspect of it completely on purpose: That's clearly going to be an emotive subject, whereas the plan itself can be judged on more provable points. Eating GM foods and watching questionable quality TV has nothing to do with it. Working on that theory, it's just as likely that people on both sides also enjoyed watching GoT, given that it's arguably the most popular and well-respected TV show on the planet right now. You don't think that left wing people like a sneaky MaccyDs every now and then, or that some NRA gun nuts are also vegan? I don't believe that there's any scientific research that claims GM food affects political persuasion by ingestion only, however if there is I'm happy to be proven wrong. Would I have voted in the US Election, had I been able to? Sure, but it wouldn't have been for either main candidate. Hillary is as devious as they come, with a cavalier attitude to secure information, a bigger lust for provocation of nations than anyone this side of Kim Jon Un, and a deeply worrying view of anyone who disagrees with her. Nope, there was no right choice here, and I still maintain that we are less likely to see a large scale conflict with Trump than Clinton. That's just my opinion, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The G Man Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Yeah the GM thing is a put down really. The dumbing down through popular media is happening. On the fence (I'm not known to be ), not much has been done really in 20 years, the last 5-8 years virtually nothing. Control of illegal immigrants is important, so is the control of refugees, close to their homelands, so that by the end of any conflict, it's easier to return. The fact remains, the new president is a risk to all we know, misogynistic, racist, sexual criminality, bigoted, religiously intolerant but the most dangerous thing is his inexperience. If I put anyone like that in front of you, for you to decide to vote for them, you wouldn't, that's because you're not dimwitted and believe improbable claims re immigrants, muslims or Mexicans. The world will be more interesting now, that's for sure. I'm a firm believer in dismantling the privileged political elite, same as big Don, but I don't think I'm dimwitted enough to believe that there's anyone remotely able to do this, far less a privileged racist egomaniac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snjur Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 He's my hero https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=kIGbKiS8NJU Sent from my SM-G850F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 My point way back was that with the reds in play in all the important places the previous blocking of anything Obama tried will now be less prevalent, hence the scary comment. That said, I do wonder based on his winning speech whether all the quite vicious rhetoric he put forward as campaign 'promises' will either be held up by the republicans themselves of whom many have said in the lead up that they do not like Trump or they simply veto any of the ridiculous stuff like wasting time attempting to get Mexico to pay for a wall that American citizens will build. He has two years before he has to start campaigning for his second term, what he can realistically get done in that time is likely to be nowhere near what he promised. The interesting upshot is like the brexit issues, plenty of promises made which are so ridiculous but some people who lacked the IQ to realise it voted regardless based on those promises, how will they feel when none of it comes to pass? Does he focus on doing something constructive for the US like improving employment, infrastructure and energy building which is good for the country but not the anarchist approach millions bought into? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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