monkeybrain1234 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) Wash > Clay > Blackhole > FK1000P > Beer! Simple question would this process work for a good shine and durable 3+ months? Edited July 12, 2016 by monkeybrain1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeybrain1234 Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 I like. Simple Q, Simple A. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Beer! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeybrain1234 Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Beer! Celebratory Beer rather than pouring over the car! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryjackson Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I would add in there before wash and clay, iron and tar removal ðŸ‘🻠will just make claying much easier Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Need a polish between the clay and blackhole. Blackhole is only a glaze, there will still be swirls and scratches on the paintwork from the claying. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I'd argue there's no point using polish if you're going to use BH, and vice versa. BH contains loads of fillers, so it'll hide the swirly stuff temporarily. Polishing is always better though, it just depends if you've got the time or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryjackson Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) I'd argue there's no point using polish if you're going to use BH, and vice versa. BH contains loads of fillers, so it'll hide the swirly stuff temporarily. Polishing is always better though, it just depends if you've got the time or not. It all depends how long he wants to hide the swirls and scratches. I myself would take them out with polish to a decent level and use a decent wax/sealant and use a proper washing technique to not incur swirls or marring on the paint. Claying will produce lots of marring which black hole may struggle to cover up but if you're looking for a quick fix with 75-80% of swirls covered and short durability go for black hole. Edited April 30, 2016 by harryjackson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I'd argue there's no point using polish if you're going to use BH, and vice versa. BH contains loads of fillers, so it'll hide the swirly stuff temporarily. Polishing is always better though, it just depends if you've got the time or not. Normally I'd agree with this. And to prove this, I'm going to disagree with this (this time)... FK1000P is quite solventy, so it'll remove some/most of the Black Hole. If it were a wax, I'd agree with you Dan, but not for a sealant. OP, I'd also suggest that whilst FK will happily last 3months+ on a bare surface, the Black Hole is going to reduce it's durability considerably. FK isn't designed to sit on top of an oily glaze so it'll struggle to last 3 months, TBH. Either go with a decent wax or replace the Black Hole with something else like SRP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirag1988 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I'd argue there's no point using polish if you're going to use BH, and vice versa. BH contains loads of fillers, so it'll hide the swirly stuff temporarily. Polishing is always better though, it just depends if you've got the time or not. Normally I'd agree with this. And to prove this, I'm going to disagree with this (this time)... FK1000P is quite solventy, so it'll remove some/most of the Black Hole. If it were a wax, I'd agree with you Dan, but not for a sealant. OP, I'd also suggest that whilst FK will happily last 3months+ on a bare surface, the Black Hole is going to reduce it's durability considerably. FK isn't designed to sit on top of an oily glaze so it'll struggle to last 3 months, TBH. Either go with a decent wax or replace the Black Hole with something else like SRP. I normally use autoglym HD wax on top of black hole and it works a treat. I've got myself a tub of FK1000P but not had a chance to use it yet, but when I do it'll be just for the wheels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 That's what I use it for. It's good stuff, but not the easiest to work with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeybrain1234 Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 I'd argue there's no point using polish if you're going to use BH, and vice versa. BH contains loads of fillers, so it'll hide the swirly stuff temporarily. Polishing is always better though, it just depends if you've got the time or not. Normally I'd agree with this. And to prove this, I'm going to disagree with this (this time)... FK1000P is quite solventy, so it'll remove some/most of the Black Hole. If it were a wax, I'd agree with you Dan, but not for a sealant. OP, I'd also suggest that whilst FK will happily last 3months+ on a bare surface, the Black Hole is going to reduce it's durability considerably. FK isn't designed to sit on top of an oily glaze so it'll struggle to last 3 months, TBH. Either go with a decent wax or replace the Black Hole with something else like SRP. I knew this would end up not being simple. Had a feeling poorboys may not let the fk1000p adhere very well. Resulting in reduced durability. I rather enjoy waxing my cars but once every 3 months is enough. Will the black hole and fk give me 3 months of summer shine??? Don't really want to do it all again in 2 weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 No, it won't. Personally I'd ditch the BH for a proper polish, then add the FK over the top of properly clean paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 That^^^. Replace BH with Auto Finesse Rejuvinate (assuming you don't require much correction). Buuuuuut, if you just want gloss then go for something SiO2 based, i.e. Gyeon. Depending on how much effort you want to put into it, it can be as easy as Wetcoat and/or Bathe+ (every couple of weeks) through to something much more advanced like Prime or Mohs (once per year/two respectively) or half way with the likes of CanCoat. That said Wetcoat and Bathe+ will go over everything if you're using it regularly enough, so you could glaze and wax now and maintain with Bathe+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeybrain1234 Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Sorry to maybe ask something so silly then - but what is the point of black hole? I see no time that it would be useful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 It's a fantastic glaze, but it works best with oily waxes. It's perfect for when you don't want to/can't correct for any reason but want to mask any marring. It's also marvellous for shows to add that bit of extra bling for a day or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) If you put a decent wax over it, it's fine. It's just because you want to use a sealant that is a bit of an issue. It is a short term stop gap product though, but it does do the job well. Edited April 30, 2016 by Ekona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Great minds again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeybrain1234 Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 If you put a decent wax over it, it's fine. It's just because you want to use a sealant that is a bit of an issue. It is a short term stop gap product though, but it does do the job well. So FK1000P is a sealant not a wax. Bloody hell I am now confused!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Very roughly, a sealant is synthetic, lasts longer but has less gloss, and a wax is the opposite. That's massively generalising though, it doesn't hold true for everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Psst, sealants haz moar gloss. Wax has more depth and warmth. But yeah, FK1000P is a paste sealant. It just so happens to contain a small amount of carnauba wax too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeybrain1234 Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Thanks for all the advice. Going to go for it anyway. Been reading up on BH and FK combo on few detailing forums. Seems okay for most. Besides have not got the time to order other products before doing this tomorrow. Will post up results and in time durability. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeW Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I clayed my car the other night ready for the wedding a week tomorrow, and a quick wax, and the paintwork is stunning, but next Sunday it will have a glaze etc. But a clay and wax seems to do a good job at a shine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeybrain1234 Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 Been meaning to upload some pictures after doing this 4 weeks ago. Tried to show the difference between each step, only taken with Iphone so not great detail in the picture but shows the diffference between each step. Okay the light would have changed in the few hours it took me to do it all but still can see a difference between each stage. Only good old elbow grease used, no fancy polishing DA machine etc. Wash Clay Poorboys Black hole FK1000P Wax Best way I could compare the difference for you End Result It's been 1 month since applying and the rain is still beading superbly on the wax. So after 1 month the FK1000P seems to have adhered to the Poorboys black hole quite well. Will update in a months time and see how well or not it's still beading. Thanks for advice 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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