Brexit 23rd June..?

[JetSet]

Sadly, the whole campaign by both sides has been a disaster and a disgrace. We now have a government that is trading insults with each other, an opposition leader that seems to be reluctant to go along with the remain campaign and a far right wing party that is determined to pray on peoples fear of immigration. We have distorted facts and figures, and a campaign based on fear, once again both sides are just as guilty here but worse still we have the whole country split down the middle, a festering sore that won't go away no matter what the result. I mean, do you think Nigel Farage is going crawl back under a stone if the Remain camp win?...not a chance.

 

Pete

[coldel]

Yes the Warsi thing is now what its all about (Farage probably grateful for it) although plenty of stories going around how apparently she has been disgruntled for ages, others saying she never attended a single leave meeting etc. etc. All about damage limitation at the moment from both sides.

 

The whole campaign by both sides has been shocking, I think we had better more informed debates here, and we aren't the 'experts'.

 

The sad thing is I read a couple of news stories on Sky News website over breakfast out of interest to see what 'the masses' were posting in the comments section and some of it is just so much utter garbage that they really shouldn't be allowed near a voting booth

 

Well I guess you could say that the campaigns have at least been of the appropriate level for some of the public

 

As the FTSE dropping was mentioned as an indication of how bad Brexit is for the economy, it's now bounced back up to 6220 (a huge gain of 199 points today), so does that mean that Brexit can now be seen as a good thing for the economy?

 

It bounced back up on the news that another round of polls showed the Remain camp back in the lead after the 2 day break following the unfortunate death of an MP.

 

I think both camps agree that financial markets will be hit if we vote out and during the time it takes to renegotiate, it has to. Financial markets do react so negatively to uncertainty, this will be an uncertain time for the UK.

[bytespc]

Farage's poster seems to have caused a lot of issues, bad move by him in the vital last days before the vote.

Absolute stitch up , it's a picture that was on the front page of all the mainstream press but just because Farage uses it it's racist...two faced baffoons

 

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[JetSet]

Farage's poster seems to have caused a lot of issues, bad move by him in the vital last days before the vote.

Absolute stitch up , it's a picture that was on the front page of all the mainstream press but just because Farage uses it it's racist...two faced baffoons

 

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It's worth noting that many in the leave camp have also condemned the poster and I doesn't matter to me who came up with it it's simply racist filth.

 

Pete

Edited June 20, 2016 by JetSet

[bytespc]

Farage's poster seems to have caused a lot of issues, bad move by him in the vital last days before the vote.

Absolute stitch up , it's a picture that was on the front page of all the mainstream press but just because Farage uses it it's racist...two faced baffoons

 

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It's worth noting that many in the leave camp have also condemned the poster and I doesn't matter to me who came up with it it's simply racist filth.

 

Pete

Spineless.....a lot of leave are now just back peddling to save there own hides no commitment

 

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[NeilMH]

The "good" thing about the stock market is that it isn't troubled by issues of morality! The drop of recent times was following a series of pro-Brexit Polls. The significant 2 day rise is based on a couple of polls swinging back to remain and a perception that this trend might continue through to the referendum itself. UK Bank shares up considerably. Also there has been a historic trend of late swings towards the status quo in referenda.

[Adrian@TORQEN]

Amazing how quick the market reacted

 

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/djia-points-to-200-point-gain-as-polls-show-brexit-support-weakening-2016-06-20

 

GBP USD jumped from 1.40 to nearly 1.47, too

[GappySmeg]

Farage's poster seems to have caused a lot of issues, bad move by him in the vital last days before the vote.

Absolute stitch up , it's a picture that was on the front page of all the mainstream press but just because Farage uses it it's racist...two faced baffoons

 

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It's worth noting that many in the leave camp have also condemned the poster and I doesn't matter to me who came up with it it's simply racist filth.

 

Pete

Spineless.....a lot of leave are now just back peddling to save there own hides no commitment

 

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A huge banner appeared on a roundabout near me at the weekend... basically it's an image from WW2, looks like a platoon storming up the beach at D-Day. The text reads "We didn't fight off the Germans, so you could let them run our country!"... or words to that effect.

 

What a totally piece-of-s**t, tasteless, crass, work of complete wa***rs!!!

[JetSet]

Farage's poster seems to have caused a lot of issues, bad move by him in the vital last days before the vote.

Absolute stitch up , it's a picture that was on the front page of all the mainstream press but just because Farage uses it it's racist...two faced baffoons

 

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It's worth noting that many in the leave camp have also condemned the poster and I doesn't matter to me who came up with it it's simply racist filth.

 

Pete

Spineless.....a lot of leave are now just back peddling to save there own hides no commitment

 

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Not everyone in the leave camp are racists, in fact the majority are decent people. As I see it the leave campaign is made up of 2 distinct and different groups, those who are anti immigration and those who genuinely believe we can do better outside of Europe. I don't have any problem with the latter group, they just happen to be wrong but I find a picture of desperate people fleeing a war to promote your campaign highly offensive. Britain is better than that surely.

 

Pete

[Jetpilot]

Apparently Corbin has admitted Britain would be unable to cap immigration if we remain. For or against immigration, being unable to control levels its not good imho

[RS8055]

Whichever way this referendum goes, there are going to be a hell of a lot of disgruntled people the way this split is going. The most unbelievable part of all this is reading the comments on Brexit articles (Sky News, BBC News, etc.). This referendum is turning us against ourselves.

 

United is the last thing we are the moment.

[coldel]

Not that you want to read much into it, but it is quite funny, but by all accounts Nissan and suing the leave campaign for misrepresentation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36573766

[BobbyZ]

Apparently Corbin has admitted Britain would be unable to cap immigration if we remain. For or against immigration, being unable to control levels its not good imho

 

Indeed. I'm fairly pro-immigration, but I'm certainly not up for a free for all.

[Jetpilot]

With where we are now and the vote, this is my fear, if we stay, the eu isnt even going to grease up before penetration, quite literally, we will be proper f*****d in any future negotiations.

[Adrian@TORQEN]

National leaders and media across Europe mobilised on Monday to persuade British voters to remain in the EU, with Hungary’s prime minister Viktor Orban buying a full-page ad in Monday’s Daily Mail urging Britons to choose “Remainâ€.

 

The advertisement tells voters the decision is theirs, adding: “But I would like you to know that Hungary is proud to stand with you as a member of the European Union.†The image includes Mr Orban’s signature in black.

 

He joins a growing chorus of EU leaders who have begged Britons to stay, deploying a combination of dire warnings about the economic consequences of Brexit and emotional appeals to pro-European sentiment and solidarity.

 

France’s largest companies took out ads across the UK press on Tuesday, urging Britain to vote to remain, saying their future hiring and investment in the UK depends on the country being “firmly and lastingly anchored in the single marketâ€. The advert is signed by companies such as Airbus, BNP Paribas, Engie, Ingenico and Safran, according to one person with knowledge of the plan. It starts: “S’il vous plaît amis britanniques, remain!†and is signed off “Vos amis françaisâ€.

 

That tone was exemplified by a speech on Monday by Donald Tusk, the European Council president, directed at Britons voting in Thursday’s referendum. “Stay with us. We need you,†he said. “Without you, not only Europe, but the whole western community will become weaker.â€

 

European media have also stepped up their interventions. Earlier this month, Der Spiegel, the German news magazine, published a special bilingual edition with the words “Please Don’t Go†set against a Union Jack.

 

Meanwhile, channelling Abba, Sweden’s biggest financial daily urged Brits “to take a chance on EUâ€. Inside, Dagens Industri carried an interview with Fredrik Reinfeldt, the former Swedish prime minister, in which the friend of David Cameron said the UK “should take the responsibility to lead Europe, not leave itâ€.

Yet Mr Orban’s gambit was probably the most eye-catching. He is the first EU leader to spend public funds on paid political advertisements in the UK media urging a vote for Remain.

Hungarian government spokesman Zoltan Kovács said Mr Orban and British prime minister David Cameron were on “good, personal termsâ€: but he would not be drawn on whether the message had been cleared with Downing Street in advance.

 

Until recently, most of Mr Cameron’s fellow EU leaders have refrained from getting involved in Britain’s EU referendum, fearing a possible backlash against perceived foreign interference. But last week’s apparent swing in public opinion towards “Leave†encouraged them to become more outspoken.

US President Barack Obama and German chancellor Angela Merkel have already made high-profile public statements backing Remain while on May 30 Enda Kenny, the Irish prime minister, campaigned in London with pro-Remain groups targeting Britain’s sizeable Irish population. Irish officials emphasised however that he was doing so in a personal capacity.

 

In Spain, too, which itself faces a general election just three days after the Brexit vote, the political class — from the ruling Popular party to the far-left Unidos Podemos bloc — is united in its support for Remain.

 

On the right, political leaders have warned above all of the economic fallout both for the UK and the rest of Europe. On the left, Unidos Podemos leader Pablo Iglesias told Spanish television on Sunday night that his group was calling on British voters to vote Remain — and that it had dispatched a senior party official to Manchester this month to speak at a campaign event.

Mr Orban’s intervention has raised eyebrows given its apparent contrast with his searing Eurosceptic public rhetoric at home. His government has launched a separate mass media campaign in Hungary slamming the EU’s migration policy while he has framed Europe’s refugee influx as an “invasion†of Christian Europe “planned†by a coalition including “Europe’s top leadersâ€.

 

The message drew a negative response from Douglas Carswell, Ukip MP for Clacton, who retweeted an image of the advertisement, suggesting it had been paid for by Mr Orban’s political opponents, the far-right Jobbik party. “Quite something that the extremist Jobbik party in Hungary wants us to Remain. You want political union [with] them?†the MP tweeted.

 

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/64f48160-36d3-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html

[Jetpilot]

Adrian, why should anyone in Britain have any interest whatsoever in what the listed countries above and people from said countries think which way we should vote? Do you actually believe this propaganda?

 

If the shoe were on the other foot, i bet they would take zero interest in what we had to say......

 

Or just ask yourself the question, why do they want us to stay, do you really think they care about our economy, or do you think it may be in their best interest.....read between the lines....

Edited June 20, 2016 by Jetpilot

[JetSet]

Apparently Corbin has admitted Britain would be unable to cap immigration if we remain. For or against immigration, being unable to control levels its not good imho

 

Indeed. I'm fairly pro-immigration, but I'm certainly not up for a free for all.

 

Yes, I don't support a free for all but one of the main problems as I see it is the success of the U.K economy, if we weren't doing so well then the country wouldn't be so attractive, a sort of catch 22 situation. It would seem to me that one of the fears that many have is that the country will be less British but history doesn't support that, for example anyone who visits The United States will know how patriotic they are (flags in gardens) yet the U.S had millions and millions of immigrants who rapidly assimilated into the country, pretty much the same for Australia and Canada, anyone remember assisted passages BTW?

 

I'm a great believer that people should not be restricted to the country of their birth, In fact I think that humans should be able to move around the world freely rather than being stuck in the lump of land they happen to be born in (I'm quite a dreamer at times ) I realize that this just isn't remotely feasible and probably never will be.

 

Pete

[gsexr]

With where we are now and the vote, this is my fear, if we stay, the eu isnt even going to grease up before penetration, quite literally, we will be proper f*****d in any future negotiations.

 

Best thing i`ve read about it mate... classic

[rtbiscuit]

With where we are now and the vote, this is my fear, if we stay, the eu isnt even going to grease up before penetration, quite literally, we will be proper f*****d in any future negotiations.

 

Best thing i`ve read about it mate... classic

 

don't forget its a party of over 20; its going to be like some kind of no lube gangbang horror porn

[Jetpilot]

Apparently Corbin has admitted Britain would be unable to cap immigration if we remain. For or against immigration, being unable to control levels its not good imho

 

Indeed. I'm fairly pro-immigration, but I'm certainly not up for a free for all.

 

Yes, I don't support a free for all but one of the main problems as I see it is the success of the U.K economy, if we weren't doing so well then the country wouldn't be so attractive, a sort of catch 22 situation. It would seem to me that one of the fears that many have is that the country will be less British but history doesn't support that, for example anyone who visits The United States will know how patriotic they are (flags in gardens) yet the U.S had millions and millions of immigrants who rapidly assimilated into the country, pretty much the same for Australia and Canada, anyone remember assisted passages BTW?

 

I'm a great believer that people should not be restricted to the country of their birth, In fact I think that humans should be able to move around the world freely rather than being stuck in the lump of land they happen to be born in (I'm quite a dreamer at times ) I realize that this just isn't remotely feasible and probably never will be.

 

Pete

 

People can move freely around the world, if you or I decided this morning to go and work in the us, china, australia, russia, china, India, spain or anywhere else, we could, it may not be as simple as finding a job, packing our bags and going, but we could.

 

Its almost like some people think if we vote leave the country will shut up shop, close the doors and no one can come or go.

 

As a good example, i bet my right nut Adrian will still be here once our exit has been negiotiated, why wouldnt he be?

 

He doesnt seem to want to answer why he wouldnt, just promote propaganda to stay. I see absolutely no reason why the British wouldnt want him to be here either, he pays into the system and works hard, probably creates jobs, hell, more of the same please.

[Adrian@TORQEN]

More "propaganda"

 

"Mr Soros made a fortune betting against the pound on Black Wednesday in 1992, when Britain left the ERM, and said Brexit would cause even bigger disruption.

 

Mr Soros said in his article that leaving the EU would see sterling fall by at least 15%, and possibly more than 20%, to below $1.15 from its current level of around $1.46.

 

"The value of the pound would decline precipitously," he writes. "It would also have an immediate and dramatic impact on financial markets, investment, prices and jobs.

 

"I would expect this devaluation to be bigger and also more disruptive than the 15% devaluation that occurred in September 1992, when I was fortunate enough to make a substantial profit for my hedge fund."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36582026

[Jetpilot]

Well thats good, people making money from it, no bad thing eh ; )

[Adrian@TORQEN]

How about you read about the Black Wednesday, eh? (not being patronising, promise!)

 

Meanwhile, these bloody experts and researchers, what do they know, propaganda!

 

"Scientists in the UK received €8.8bn (£6.8bn) in research funding from the EU from 2007-2013, according to the Royal Society - more than the €5.4bn (£4.1bn) we contributed over the same period.

 

If the country votes to leave the EU no research grants will be revoked, so there will be no immediate cut in funding.

 

However, scientists will be left in the dark about whether they should be applying for new funds from the European Research Council, which could pause research.

 

Longer term, that €3.4bn (£2.6bn) gap in scientific funding would have to be met by the UK government to maintain investment in research and development."

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1714989/why-the-god-particle-would-survive-brexit

[coldel]

Checking the bookies this morning odds have swung further towards Remain, I really think its going to be close, a few days back I thought Leave were pretty much on the money to win but Farage's poster amongst other things has really derailed that momentum.

[Sargara]

I'd say its more the killing of Jo Cox that has had a bigger impact than the poster. On the whole nobody is openly saying it but theres some very big not-so subtle hints being dished out about it. I think its pretty clear it plays better towards one side than the other.