docwra Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Put a pic up doc ! Your wish and all that And of course if you have a few more quid ......... Whats wrong with an M6? Big, heavy, thirsty are three good words, my 1er is running a bit over 100 lb/ft more torque 3500rpm lower down the range as well It all comes back to the old "what do you want from a car" question - if youre looking for an exceptional fast cruiser and dont care about fuel bills then an M6 is a great choice but if like me you find the E9* M3 a bit lrdy thats not a path youre going to heading down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 but a 1 series just doesn't feel special enough... even a 1 series with 420bhp is still a 1 series, its still the bottom rung of BMW ownership - an M6 is way, way above that. don't get me wrong the lighter, nimbler 1 series would be an absolute riot to drive, but something you turn back to look at after you've locked it and started to walk away? I don't think so. same way they could make a ford focus with 500bhp and it still wouldn't interest me, cos its a ford focus. and I know an M3 is just a 3 series with a fancy engine and chassis, but at least the 3 series is the best small saloon car to start with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 If I could have the V10 in the 1 series chassis, that would be absolutely perfect. The M6 is 100% brilliant *because* of that engine, it wouldn't feel half as amazing without it. I mean, of course I like my 645, but it's not in the same league as the M6, nor is it as chuckable as a 135i. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) but a 1 series just doesn't feel special enough... even a 1 series with 420bhp is still a 1 series, its still the bottom rung of BMW ownership - an M6 is way, way above that. don't get me wrong the lighter, nimbler 1 series would be an absolute riot to drive, but something you turn back to look at after you've locked it and started to walk away? I don't think so. Everyone is entitled to an opinion ......... but youre wrong, totally wrong. A standard 135i is a capable car, but this particular one with most of an M3 chassis and the same performance as a 997 turbo still blows me away every day after 15 months of ownership. Its better and more fun than my 350 ever was round the twisties, and that was a weapon itself, and returns up 10mpg more and has a decent boot, 4 seats and doesnt attract every chav in a 20 mile radius. I would honestly have a hard time swapping it for anything this side of £45K, its really that good - I could have picked up an M6 but I like corners too much, see also M5 and M3. Its the only car I remember owning (other than the Integrales ) that I still look forward to driving months after I bought it. And if my 1er isnt enough the 1M is one of the best cars for sheer smile factor Ive driven in my life and I still crick my neck when one drives past, theres still a big part of me tempted to go buy one just ....... because. An M6 is a GT car so I dont really know why they are being brought into a comparison like this, but a breathed on 135i is as fast as anything BMW have ever produced in a straight line and with a few slight suspension mods as quick as anything round corners too, its hardly poverty spec. BTW, your "best small saloon car to start with" shares the same suspension, gearbox, clutch, CANBUS system and a load of other stuff with an E82 1 series but carries about 180KG more, hows that "better"? ETA: All of this said, I am first and foremost a driver - I dont car what a car looks like or what it costs if it makes me want to drive it. If youre a bit more image conscious then maybe youre right ....... but you did buy a Nissan at some point so it cant be that bad Whats the best for me is not going to be the best for someone else but to write off a car that will give a GTR a run for its money as "the bottom of the ladder" and not "special" is madness. Edited February 3, 2016 by docwra 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) opinions are like arseholes, etc... I think we're just looking at it in different ways... I can fully appreciate that a tuned 135i will run circles round an M6 on most tracks, but... if it was £35k of my own money it wouldn't be on a small BMW, no matter how good the chassis is or how much power the engine has. Luxury, badge, noise and looks (M6... ahem...) all factor in how desireable I find a car. im a similar vein I don't think I'd ever buy a elise or a VX220, unless it was purely for track work. of course they'll drive excellently and be mightily fast if you strap a supercharger on it, but it misses the prestige, the noise, the creature comforts. I don't think we actually know what the OP wants from a car yet - if its the ultimate driving machine at the expense of everything else then a 135i might be a good shout - but if there are other considerations a large GT car might be more the ticket. I suspect the best all rounder will annoyingly be some kind of porker. Edited February 3, 2016 by brillomaster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Doc are you genuinely saying your 1'series would give a gtr a run for its money ? I know you're well respected on here but come on man ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 I believe him. Look at the power to weight ratio if nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 I'm after something fun , well built , reasonably quick , handles well , sounds good and cost between 30-35 . I don't want something I have to change everything to make it what I want . Although I have given myself a 3k budget for the essential mods ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) My zed had 465 and would get absolutely spanked by a gtr running 600 bhp ( which they all have ) it's the way it delivered and controls its power that makes it so so quick ..... A mapped gtr will do 0-100mph h in around 6.5 seconds !! Edited February 3, 2016 by Bodyboarder81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 I believe him. Look at the power to weight ratio if nothing else. As we all know though it's one thing having the power it's the way it puts it down , and the gtr is well documented at being the very best and being able to use all its power practically all the time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Can't believe you're still debating about it and you haven't bought the GTR yet, you're wasting your time! I'm so coming over tonight to take you for a spin :lol: Edited February 3, 2016 by Adrian@TORQEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Looking at this Friday ....... It's a great spec , but we shall see I guess ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 You sold that unique beauty, the nicest 350z HR zed in UK to get an Uber taxi car? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Can't believe you're still debating about it and you haven't bought the GTR yet, you're wasting your time! I'm so coming over tonight to take you for a spin :lol: And maybe keep it in a straight line for a change...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 You sold that unique beauty, the nicest 350z HR zed in UK to get an Uber taxi car? Come on they are a great car ! Also once you start selling Bmw aftermarket stuff you'll probably love them hahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 You sold that unique beauty, the nicest 350z HR zed in UK to get an Uber taxi car? Come on they are a great car ! Also once you start selling Bmw aftermarket stuff you'll probably love them hahaha Have a good drive in it dude I know 2 that have not enjoyed them anywhere near like the e46 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 You sold that unique beauty, the nicest 350z HR zed in UK to get an Uber taxi car? Come on they are a great car ! Also once you start selling Bmw aftermarket stuff you'll probably love them hahaha I had: 318i - E46 330i ClubSport M Pack - E46 540i - E39 M5 - E39 Then I moved on, not a BMW fan anymore, sorry I love Nissan now as you know, next move would be a Lambo probably or McLaren, we shall see what the future brings. 370z was bloody amazing for what it cost. The GT-R is a different league, I have friends with Lambo that want to buy a GT-R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Doc are you genuinely saying your 1'series would give a gtr a run for its money ? I know you're well respected on here but come on man ! Straightlining? Yes I am, at least an 07 model anyway, the previous owner claims to know for sure as well GTR: 478hp and 434lb/ft at 3200rpm, 1730KG 135: 430hp and 560 lb/ft at 3200rpm, 1485KG Yet to find out on track as Im blighted with this shittiest diff known to man but I dont think there would be a lot in it, mainly due to the weight difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Doc, if you were to add a few bolt on bits to the 135, what's the power you get? Something similar to the 660bhp you get on the 4.25 GTR I mean. Not touching the internals, just the normal, exhaust, breathing, injectors and mapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Not quite as simple as bhp per tonne now is it guys, what about gearing etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Doc, if you were to add a few bolt on bits to the 135, what's the power you get? Something similar to the 660bhp you get on the 4.25 GTR I mean. Not touching the internals, just the normal, exhaust, breathing, injectors and mapping. Mine is exactly that mate, new downpipes, hi flow cats/exhaust mid section and a remap, and those are the figures. Hybrid turbo(s) will see 600hp apparently, injectors will see well beyond that and this is all without opening the engine, the beauties of a forged bottom end as standard Mine is the N54 twin turbo BTW, the gains are not so big on the later N55 but good numbers for bugger all cash are still achievable. And it cost less than £17K with all of this done, sweet rims, M3 footwork and a few fancy pants carbon bits. I would like to state for the record at this point that I am not saying my car is better or worse than a GTR, just I cant see why anyone would buy an E92 M3 instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Not quite as simple as bhp per tonne now is it guys, what about gearing etc Well, yes it is actually. At regular speeds I'm going to stick my neck out and say that both cars have gearing vaguely the same: We're not talking about a Caterham here that tops out at 110 in 5th! I have friends with Lambo that want to buy a GT-R Are they blind then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Doc are you genuinely saying your 1'series would give a gtr a run for its money ? I know you're well respected on here but come on man ! Straightlining? Yes I am, at least an 07 model anyway, the previous owner claims to know for sure as well GTR: 478hp and 434lb/ft at 3200rpm, 1730KG 135: 430hp and 560 lb/ft at 3200rpm, 1485KG Yet to find out on track as Im blighted with this shittiest diff known to man but I dont think there would be a lot in it, mainly due to the weight difference. But that 430 in yours is with all bolt ons ... A gtr with a simple map would bring it to 580-600 bhp and 550ftlb ? A massive difference and the 4 wheel drive out of the corners ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share Posted February 3, 2016 Doc, if you were to add a few bolt on bits to the 135, what's the power you get? Something similar to the 660bhp you get on the 4.25 GTR I mean. Not touching the internals, just the normal, exhaust, breathing, injectors and mapping. Mine is exactly that mate, new downpipes, hi flow cats/exhaust mid section and a remap, and those are the figures. Hybrid turbo(s) will see 600hp apparently, injectors will see well beyond that and this is all without opening the engine, the beauties of a forged bottom end as standard Mine is the N54 twin turbo BTW, the gains are not so big on the later N55 but good numbers for bugger all cash are still achievable. And it cost less than £17K with all of this done, sweet rims, M3 footwork and a few fancy pants carbon bits. I would like to state for the record at this point that I am not saying my car is better or worse than a GTR, just I cant see why anyone would buy an E92 M3 instead Because the m3 is better in my opinion out the box ....'where as a 1 isn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leosille Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Ive driven a lot of whats mentioned on this thread and theres a reason certain cars get mentioned a lot The R32, R33 and R34 are all old now, if youre collecting then great but if you want to drive then its a no. The big execs IMO go XFR, IS-F, M3, C63 in that order but they are all big, heavy and thirsty, and if youre spending over £30K on a hot hatch youre quite mad IMO 911's are an acquired taste, Ive been warned off of Vantages, M5/M6 are just too big and too thirsty and Im still not sold on the yank stuff, no matter how cheap it looks from brand new. Which leaves the Evora, the Maser, the 981 Cayman S and the GTR, all magnificent cars but the Cayman gets the vote from me, its just so beautifully balanced while still being refined, I loves it. But (and who didnt expect this one to come) ....... having had the same choice a while ago I couldnt look past a 135i (or M135i, or M235i, or 1M), they are smaller and lighter than the M3, even standard arguably faster due to more accessible torque but when modded are proper rockets and most E92 M3 stuff bolts on to make handling very similar. There is very little that the M3 has over the E8* other than the badge on the back ........ What did you think when you drove the M135i? I drove one today as looking for a new toy soon, it is a absolute weapon in standard form it's quite a rocket. It's not exciting to look at IMO but a wolf in sleeps clothing for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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