bytespc Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I could get stroppy with some of the comments on here : Its a Film The Guy In The Mask ( Kylo Ren ) is Leia and Hans Solos Son Rey ( the girl ) is a natural force user , early on she explains to Finn ( coloured hero ( very cool ) )that she often does stuff she has no idea she can do, during interrogation by Kylo Ren ( Han & Leia Son ) she realises she can repel and even read his mind, this frightens the crap out of him. Now earlier on in the new Cantina scene Lukes old Light Sabre calls to her and she starts to have her Dark / Light living dream ( frightens her ) but unlike Luke from the Dagoba training sequence in episode 5 she doesn't fail the test by fighting her vision. Kylo Ren has his dark light moment facing his father ( ring any bells ) it's even on a high catwalk but unlike Luke he kills his father ( Han Solo ) to complete his journey to the Dark Side During the forest battle Rey starts to conquer her fear and even out force pulls Kylo Ren for Lukes Sword ( now hers I think ) she defeats him with anger like Luke in episode 6 did with his father and like Luke doesn't strike the killing blow thus confirming her Jedi status In the final scene she fins Luke an offers the Sword back.....fade speculation is she is Lukes Daughter Snoke ( Big Bad only seen in holo form played by Sirkis ) is said vey briefly to be the one who turned Kylo Ren dark whilst under the tuition of Luke , Kylos decent into the dark killing all of the other initiates ( the reason for Lukes Exile ) this is seen in flashback only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The only reason she didn't kill him is because the ground separated! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytespc Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The only reason she didn't kill him is because the ground separated! Nope you need to rewatch it or your just winding me up. At one point she stands over him ready to strike the killing blow but backs off. Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yeah, and then the ground opens up and separates them: It's only at that point she runs away. Beforehand, she's clearly still in two minds. That's the idea, to show that she's not entirely 100% good. It shows the conflict, in the same way Kylo Ren is conflicted the other way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Turtle Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Regardless, she is a sublime heroine. Great but of casting and can't wait to see her kick more ass. No complaints about the film, exactly what I wanted even if he played it a little "safe" and rehashed a lot of IV. Are they releasing a 2D print btw? Might be even better without all that frame rate judder and ghosting you get with 3d... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilscorp Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It was the 2D print I watched, as 3D hurts my mates eyes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Turtle Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Ah sorry didn't realise it was released in 2d as well, only seen it advertised in 3d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmr1980 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Bravo Mr Abrams. Bravo. What a film. Brought me back to my childhood. It was cheesy at times, but I like it, it is just what it needed. I cannot wait for the next one. Had nuances of A New a Hope about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Nuances? It was basically the same film! But yeah, he's the best director out there right now, bar none. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 (edited) Just come back from the screening, loved it, cannot wait to watch IV,V,VI again. JJ Abrams is a genius, the next Star Trek film looks good too.,,.He has the ultimate geeks touch Edited December 19, 2015 by gangzoom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Can read this thread now I put it at about 8/10, I had my ticket booked for about 6 weeks so was very much excited about the movie but was also nervous they would just balls it up. I think its come out very well. The plot holes are obvious but I could pick a dozen in each of the films 4-6 as well - clearly its daft that a stormtrooper can pick up a lightsaber and take on the bad guy like that and even strike him, wounded or not. Think Kylo Ren lacked a bit of nastiness about him, he has murdered many people yet seemed a bit scared of people like the FO general. Han Solo died in the wrong way, understand it had to happen that way to fit the plot, but it all seemed a bit soft, I think it was this that put just that little bit of irk into what didn't make it a 9/10 for me. I also find it odd every time a jedi mucks something up they go into exile, I would call it a bit of a sulk That said, I got tingles up my back when I heard the Millennium Falcon fire up and all those noises you remember from 4-6, it was Star Wars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marzman Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Can read this thread now I put it at about 8/10, I had my ticket booked for about 6 weeks so was very much excited about the movie but was also nervous they would just balls it up. I think its come out very well. The plot holes are obvious but I could pick a dozen in each of the films 4-6 as well - clearly its daft that a stormtrooper can pick up a lightsaber and take on the bad guy like that and even strike him, wounded or not. Think Kylo Ren lacked a bit of nastiness about him, he has murdered many people yet seemed a bit scared of people like the FO general. Han Solo died in the wrong way, understand it had to happen that way to fit the plot, but it all seemed a bit soft, I think it was this that put just that little bit of irk into what didn't make it a 9/10 for me. I also find it odd every time a jedi mucks something up they go into exile, I would call it a bit of a sulk That said, I got tingles up my back when I heard the Millennium Falcon fire up and all those noises you remember from 4-6, it was Star Wars. This is it... i can overlook the plot holes completely, as it is just a film after all. It's called artistic license. The only thing that has (massively) bothered me is the way in which Han died. I think they could have achieved the same result (journey to the dark side complete) had they killed Leia in the same manner, and nobody would have been upset. Han just deserved more imho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Did he though? He was a smuggler who abandoned the Rebellion in their hour of need, only to come back and steal the glory at the end. He did other good things, but ultimately he wasn't exactly a hero. He got the death his character deserved. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marzman Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Did he though? He was a smuggler who abandoned the Rebellion in their hour of need, only to come back and steal the glory at the end. He did other good things, but ultimately he wasn't exactly a hero. He got the death his character deserved. Get out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 AS per previous page, Carrie Fisher isnt looking her best but at least she can move under her own steam, Ford reminds me of my grandad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Going to see it again tonight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Did he though? He was a smuggler who abandoned the Rebellion in their hour of need, only to come back and steal the glory at the end. He did other good things, but ultimately he wasn't exactly a hero. He got the death his character deserved. bah! He was a selfish nerf herder but turned his back decades of his former life to save Luke in 4 and ensure the destruction of the death star, save Luke again and protect Leia and his friends in 5, lead the fight on the ground in 6 to defeat a legion of the emperors best troops surely worthy of more than an obvious stabbing on a completely unusable bridge in the middle of a planet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenWomble Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Saw it at midnight too. I thought it was meh. Too many comedy lines in it. Few plot holes I didn't like. Especially Rai and Fin picking up a lightsaber for the first time and using it pretty well And the fact that they blew up the planet/death star with about 10 X wings. I too thought was a bit harsh for Han to go that way... Poor Chewy Don't get me wrong, good film, just not sure what i was expecting when I walked into it. probably overkill at this point given the nature of this thread, but i figured i might as well slap the spoiler tags round my reply RE blowing up the planet with 10 x-wings and a rucksack full of explosives it's not as bad as that. before it goes book it had just managed to suck an entire star into the weapon. they took out a part of the system that keeps all that energy safely stored, so yeah, massive explosion when an entire stars worth of energy was let lose inside a tiny planet! if you watch it again pay more attention to the fireball after the explosion, it doesn't fade, it turns into a new star. so 10 x-wings and a bag full of bombs isn't so outlandish. what's more interesting is how they squashed all the matter from a star into some sort of containment that had to fit into a planet without triggering a singularity i really enjoyed the feeling of the film. 1,2&3 were worth watching, but quite meh for me, guess there was too much politics for my liking but the whole lot was to set the story up. 4,5&6 i was a child for, so they were magical, which makes it kinda hard to compare them to the new ones as my memory is so distorted. 7 however has left me with the impression that it is a lot closer to 4,5&6 than 1,2&3 were. i had a ton of fun watching it the first time in 3d and the 2nd time in 2d and am looking forward to seeing it at an imax in the new year. soooo glad it feels better than 1,2&3! i think a big thing for me is how much they use the original music score. as for the comedy there was a lot in 4,5&6, that's what the droids and the wookie are for! sure there are other jokes, but it's clear comedy has been a large part of it from the start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmr1980 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I think there will always be a line from those that have the nostalgia of the original 3 and those who have only been introduced to SW recently. This new set of films will set up a new generation of SW fans which is great really. I'm a bit of a SW geek, and have read many of the Expanded Universe books, that said whilst I didn't "love" the first 3, and whilst I found them quite cringey in places, and felt they were totally unnecessary, I'm still happy to have seen them. That said, the Force Awakens is a good start a new trilogy and the continuation of the journey/story. I wish they had extended the film by maybe another 20-30 mins (I know it was already long) but it felt rushed at times, and could have done with just expanding the plot and story a little more. I'm tempted to go and see it a 3rd time next week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marzman Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 I think there will always be a line from those that have the nostalgia of the original 3 and those who have only been introduced to SW recently. This new set of films will set up a new generation of SW fans which is great really. Actually this has made me think, and given me a different perspective on Han's death. I can remember my first time watching episode IV in the 80's and being upset about Obi-Wan dying. He was a past great with a rich history, and they killed him off. Han's death could be considered the same for the new generation, who dont really know him and haven't seen the originals (i.e. kids new to the series). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I think there will always be a line from those that have the nostalgia of the original 3 and those who have only been introduced to SW recently. This new set of films will set up a new generation of SW fans which is great really. Actually this has made me think, and given me a different perspective on Han's death. I can remember my first time watching episode IV in the 80's and being upset about Obi-Wan dying. He was a past great with a rich history, and they killed him off. Han's death could be considered the same for the new generation, who dont really know him and haven't seen the originals (i.e. kids new to the series). Yes but Obi-wan, once struck down, would become more powerful than you could possibly imagine - Han just shriveled up into dust at the bottom of a pit by the looks of it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeezeebaba Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Saw this today, I thought it highlighted how naff the recent prequel films were (eg The Phantom menace etc)compared to the original films and it also drew on nostalgia a bit to much. It depressed me to see how old the original cast were thus highlighting my own creeping old age However I suppose the nostalgia is what made it entertaining and leaving old Luke as a tease at the end opens the door for number 8 quite nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Watched it on Friday and not as impressed as most make it. It's a 7/10 at best and you can see they are setting up for the sequels. I've been a SW fan from the beginning and like all the other great movie franchises they are tuning out of good original ideas and just chucking these very commercialized movies ready made for the festive period and capitalizing on our nostalgia while trying to win new fans. I will watch the next one no doubt but the dream is over. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilside z Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Well I'm an old fart who only ever watched fully the very first one in the 70s. All the others have been on the TV at some time but only saw certain parts whilst scrolling through channels. Never been a Trekkie either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmr1980 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Yeah it's a shame about the mass commercialisation of it, but at the same time, you can keep yourself away from the hype and if you do it makes it more enjoyable. However it's going to happen - people will buy into it, and spend the money. That doesn't mean we can't enjoy it and let ourselves fall away back to our childhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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