Juggalo Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) So he's installed a vegan who wants to see the end of Animal farming as shadow farming minister. An IRA sympathiser and "More welfare" advocate as shadow Chancellor Wants to scrap the Armed Forced Scrap the nukes Pull out of NATO Re-Nationalise almost everything Thatcher privatised. Tax the hell out of the rich. Give the Unions more power Ditch the Monarchy if you feel like voting for that, then you should seriously consider emigrating to 1979. And you can bet your last dollar it'll be a wide open immigration policy. Edited September 15, 2015 by Juggalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Well I'm out then. We need those nukes for use on the immigrants trying to come over here and steal the jobs of the hard done by indigenous people who speak the language and have access to education. Not to mention these swine also claiming all the benefits at the same time as stealing all the jobs, whilst enjoying the excellent privatised services like the on-time near empty trains, top notch buses, better quality electricity and gas we get now (it even smells better than it used to). As for taxing the rich to contribute to public services like the NHS, education, pensions, the aforementioned nukes and the army - it's a travesty, really people on low to middle incomes shoud pay proportionally more of their disposable income in tax & NI than anyone else. After all, they wear tracksuits all the time and smell funny. I heard he's banning Christmas too 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Ditch the Monarchy yeah, I can see that being a vote winner . Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 His personal feelings are not necessarily going to become policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Ditch the Monarchy yeah, I can see that being a vote winner . Pete I'd vote for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I heard he's banning Christmas too yeah, I can see that being a vote winner . Pete FTFY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 News on the radio yesterday saying labour mp's are looking to depose Corbyn as labour leader and less than 10% of mps voted for him. The more i hear the more the more it seems like he is a bit of a mentalist, i.e saying 9/11 was orchastrated by bush and blair to justify war with Afghanistan and there was no evidence Bin Laden was involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Politics can be as much about perception as about the reality (and the fact that most voters do not understand the economics of what they vote for and support anyway!) and the media are doing him no favours at all, and there are so many voters out there that vote based on what they read on the front of The Mirror or whatever. He seems almost doomed from the start, I don't think even jolly young Ed had such a bad start in terms of media coverage. For me his ideas around the economy just feel like such a throw back, out of date and in plenty of cases completely impossible to implement (but are great for using to bang the proverbial drum) that he is un-electable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Hes different, and this is the problem, we havent had a true Socialist option since Kinnock and arguably Michael Foot. Its going to take some time for people to adjust, and while that happens he is going to be crucified in the press, by the Tories and by the more right leaning members of his own party. Labours "success" over the past 20 years has been down to being slightly left of centre in a Capitalist society, the MP's know that this approach is mroe likely to get them elected and they want to stick with it, when in reality the only hope Labour have is by offering something totally different from the Tories. It will take some time (or a banking scandal, or some kind of internal issue with the Conservatives) but Id hope that if he can stay in for the long run by the time the next election comes around they will be a viable alternative. Although I find myself becoming more socialist as I get older, Im not in favour of a lot of his policies ........ but I do think the Tories need some questions asking, and Corbyn and Co are definitely going to do that. The moment of truth for me came when in the blue lot's last budget they announced they were implementing a living wage, an increase in personal allowance and no change to disability benefit and Millipede and the bollock had nothing to say as they were effectively the same as their own, apparently "opposing" policies. The country needs a check on rampant capitalism, we need to do more for those less fortunate and that sure as hell isnt going to happen if Dave and Eton mess are allowed to do what they want unopposed. Corbyn is not going to let that happen, but I doubt he will be very popular for at least another 18 months either. Edited September 29, 2015 by docwra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 A good government needs a strong opposition, so Corbyn has to be good for the good of the entire country. From what I've seen so far, he seems to be a bit too content in asking what everyone else wants, rather than what he wants. That kind of weak leadership, however well intentioned it is, simply won't pass muster with the British public. People are going to look back on the ConDem government in a few years and think to themselves, "Hey, that wasn't so bad and they did a pretty good job". I'm right leaning by nature, but I agree 100% with Doc that 100% Tory for too long isn't a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 It needs to be a viable opposition though, banging a big drum and shouting about all the things that should be done just splits opinion, he needs to get people at the least nodding in his direction even if they don't like labour or him. We all hate Dan but we give him the nod when he talks tyres Making sweeping comments like lets nationalise the rail network doesn't help, its never going to happen even if he got in as the money isn't there and the owners are not wanting to sell anyway - I would certainly take him more seriously if there was something more rational that makes some sort of financial sense although appreciate this is more centre and also less likely to get the headlines but hey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Apparently he has said the majority of the british public share his beliefs Edited September 29, 2015 by Jetpilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Apparently he has said the majority of the british public share his beliefs They probably do, but to what extent? I think most of us are fed up of pissing money up the wall in wars we shouldnt be involved in or nuclear weapons that we are never going to use, most of us realise that social housing is knackered, we want an end to austerity and that well managed national companies will bring a benefit. However, if you take those policies to their extremes (disarming the military, penalising private home owners, doubling our deficit in 12 months, mismanaging nationalised companies) then we would all sigh and tut and say "I told you so". What he hopefully brings for me is some element of balance, and a voice that the Torys will need to listen to and consider, we shall have to see if he is strong enough to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juggalo Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Apparently he has said the majority of the british public share his beliefs I doubt it. I think those that do support him haven't thought it through or are career benefit claimants. Let's take renationalising the railway as one example. Sounds good, but it's terrible, and redundant. It means the Rail Union would once again hold all the power. They can strike when they want and hold the Country to ransom. They would have no competition so we'll see a steady decline in management; late trains, filthy trains, stations falling into disrepair - exactly like it was in 1980. There's no upside whatsoever. SInce the trains have been privatised, it's been a massive change for the better. They're faster, cleaner, service is brilliant and the Stations I've been too are no longer embarrassing compared to Germany and France. Corbyn is a ridiculous leader. Edited September 29, 2015 by Juggalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Juggalo, Im guessing you live somewhere in the south and dont work in production? For every one of those arguments theres a good counterargument - while trains are clean they are either stuffed to bursting or totally empty and cost an arm and a leg to get anywhere. London Underground was part privatised and then renationalised and that works pretty well as far as I can see ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juggalo Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Juggalo, Im guessing you live somewhere in the south and dont work in production? For every one of those arguments theres a good counterargument - while trains are clean they are either stuffed to bursting or totally empty and cost an arm and a leg to get anywhere. London Underground was part privatised and then renationalised and that works pretty well as far as I can see ........ <<< In the North, in IT I've seen a fair number of strike threats by London Underground, and they seem to plan it for the most disruptive times. And this... http://www.dailymail...on-members.html Edited September 29, 2015 by Juggalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 That's because the unions are full of c*nts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 That's because the unions are full of c*nts. No need to worry, they'll be illegal by the time the next election comes round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 That's because the unions are full of c*nts. Seems to me its the unions backing him and they want to try to rule the country again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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