Ekona Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 991.2 Carrera and Carrera S launched (PH link) 3L turbo engines only in the production series cars from now on, with only the GT3 keeping an NA engine. I know why they've done it, and tbh in their shoes I'd probably have done the same, but this is a sad moment in motoring history. One of the finest things in life is a Porker flat-six engine, right up there with a Honda VTEC and a Ferrari V8 in terms of classic engines that define the driver as much as the car. Strap turbos to it and you may make it quicker, but do you make it better? No, I don't think you do. You lose as much as you gain. Is the new CTR faster than the old? Yup, but you know you really want to be driving the screamer engine instead. Does the 488 now compete evenly with the 650S? Yes, but that 4.5L V8 in the 458 was just about the pinnacle of high-revving NA V8s. There's not really any doubt it'll be an amazing car, and those stats are borderline bonkers (8.2secs to 100MPH with 36MPG!), but this is the first new 911 I have pretty much no interest in. And those new engine slats are ugly as hell: No other lines flow from top to bottom, they're all from side to side. Silly change for the sake of change. So RIP to the proper 911 with a gorgeous NA engine, and welcome to the era of bonkers quick base 911s. Faster, but not always better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 (edited) WOW, it looks so different from the other Porsches, must be because it's a facelift model! NOT!! Edited September 7, 2015 by octet@TORQEN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 Wow I've like never heard that joke before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 Also, why mess with something that looks stunning? I'm more disappointed with the power train than I am with the looks (rear lights are nice, I hate those front four LED things though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbitstew Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I was reading about this earlier. Its a shame but just the way things go I guess - same as M3 / M5 etc... One thing they did say though is that they may still do NA limited edition cars in the future, which I expect they still will do if they can get them through the emissions etc. as they will probably go the same way as the GT3 / RS etc. It will be interesting to see what effect it has on the prices of 911`s. If all 911`s are now turbo`d (okay different turbo to the 911 turbo), I expect tuning companies will have a field day with remapping them - which might make buying a 991.2 Carrera turbo a much more attractive prospect price wise over buying a 991.2 turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hensh65 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 That is crazy MPG for a car like that!! roll on a few years and almost all cars will have at least 1 turbo and some sort of auto box. Sad sad times, although, could you run any other 911 as a daily as cheaply as that? Would you really notice that much on a motorway journey... I think only a few would. And another big plus as Rabbitstew mentioned,,,,, 1 remap could turn them into seriously quick cars!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 If it brings with it 911 turbo reliability, this can't be a bad thing for them... Porsche NA engines may be good when they work, but when the NA engines in the 996, 997 & Cayman are all pretty poor in terms of reliability and catastrophic / expensive-to-fix failures... If all 911s become as reliable as the 996/997 turbos, Porsche's second-hand values will remain pretty high and that can only be a good thing for owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 WOW, it looks so different from the other Porsches, must be because it's a facelift model! NOT!! You tell the difference by the colour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Was there a similar feeling amongst Porsche types when they went air to water cooled? Sucks they've gone turbo on everything though, NA muscle FTW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floydbax Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Many said similar things when they went water cooled, didn't seem to make much difference in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Also, why mess with something that looks stunning? I'm more disappointed with the power train than I am with the looks (rear lights are nice, I hate those front four LED things though). Needs a nice rear plate 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 yeah, after all a lot of what makes a porsche a porsche is still present and correct - flat six engine, slung out behind the rear wheels. obviously still looks the same. Plus its inevitable that things will be going turbocharged, but that does mean that turbos will continue to get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martybhoy Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I hate the thought of all performance cars going the way of auto boxes and smaller turbo'do engines. I understand why but the real driving feel for me is when you and the machine are interacting. I know these flappy paddle shifts are ultra fast and that will help performance but it doesn't mean much to me in terms of feel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT350 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I think strapping 2x turbo's to the 350 made it faster and better. It drives so much better. But I know what you're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will370z Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 People had these worries with the Ferrari 488 but that's turned out to be a stunning vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 If it brings with it 911 turbo reliability, this can't be a bad thing for them... Porsche NA engines may be good when they work, but when the NA engines in the 996, 997 & Cayman are all pretty poor in terms of reliability and catastrophic / expensive-to-fix failures... If all 911s become as reliable as the 996/997 turbos, Porsche's second-hand values will remain pretty high and that can only be a good thing for owners. That's the M97 engine though, which hasn't been used since 2008. The 9x7.2 cars all used the DFI lump*, which has proven itself to be bulletproof since. *The 2.7 987 cars weren't DFI, but they used the same basic non-IMS block so I lump them together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I'm sure you'll get to test one eventually Dan, it'll be interesting to know what you think. 911 is really the only Porsche shape I really like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 I've already spoke to the dealership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 pmsl!! Why am I not surprised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Turtle Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Extra weight, complexity and power are the complete opposite of what Porsche should be delivering. Very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 I agree about the first one, but the latter two are exactly what a Porsche should be about. They always have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Steady Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Here's my tupence-worth, I've always thought that the flat six in Porsches sounds like a clattering mechanical bag of tools. A wet fart sounds more satisfying IMO. Awful noise. Now, I await a landslide of insults and profanities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 That's okay, that's exactly how I feel about the Ferrari V8 used in the 360 and 430. Chattering bag of spanners at idle, and doesn't even sound that great at the top end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 Actually, you can include the Audi/Lambo V10 in that as well. It's all mechanical shuffling, not a lovely screamer of an engine as a V10 should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 what!!! I was gonna come to the defence of a flat 6 engine saying it sounded great in Darren's boxster S, but then you went too far and said you didn't like the audi/lambo V10. My feelings about V10s are clearly known! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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