zxrob Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 The biggest variable will always be the driver However, you cant argue, pound for pound the 350 is a bargain, looks and sounds good Rob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 ^^^ Well said, and perfectly common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 In the real world if cars have similar power and weight it's just going to be down to how much risk a person is willing to take . Imo you need at least 50-100 bhp more or be a lot lighter to pull away from someone else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Power to weight in straights. Two like for like racers....My old s41a at 330bhp used to pass a friends stripped e46 (stripped with smg) on the majority of bedford + silverstone. Confident the HR would be similar to the e46 m3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Barry Boy thread..................... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 This is why they cost more to start with and are now at least 3x the value of a used DE350. A 2007 Cayman S can be had for around 16k these days, a 2007 HR around 9k. A 2007 Cayman S cost 50 grand when new, an HR cost in the region of 30 grand. While in percentage terms the Cayman has done a bit better than The Zed in actual £'s in your pocket its done a lot worse. They also cost a lot more to start with because Porsche make an average of $28k (2007 figures) on every car they sell, the highest profit margin of any car manufacturer. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 This is why they cost more to start with and are now at least 3x the value of a used DE350. A 2007 Cayman S can be had for around 16k these days, a 2007 HR around 9k. A 2007 Cayman S cost 50 grand when new, an HR cost in the region of 30 grand. While in percentage terms the Cayman has done a bit better than The Zed in actual £'s in your pocket its done a lot worse. They also cost a lot more to start with because Porsche make an average of $28k (2007 figures) on every car they sell, the highest profit margin of any car manufacturer. Pete A 2015 Cayman GTS list price is £55k but you think an S cost £50k eight years ago??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Turtle Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Not only a fatter drop in absolute terms but probably also cost a fair bit more to run and insure over those 7-8 years? Still a better car for those with more money and happy to ride around in something ubiquitous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 987 is no more expensive to run than a 350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic Turtle Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 In that case somebody needs to alert Herr Piech to a potential "margin expansion opportunity". 2 year / 24k mile service schedule then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 2/20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 987 is no more expensive to run than a 350. Insurance ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 350 to 997 was cheaper for me, so I'm guessing nothing in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjt Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 I pay roughly the same on my Cayman S as I did on the 350Z, although when I changed cars Sky Insurance (who I was insured on the 350Z with) said that the underwriter would not cover me on the new car because of my age, and therefore I had to cancel my policy with several months remaining with the potential refund being swallowed up by 'admin fees' even though it was them who wouldn't cover me! Thieves! So just a warning to anyone who is in the same situation as I was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 I pay roughly the same on my Cayman S as I did on the 350Z, although when I changed cars Sky Insurance (who I was insured on the 350Z with) said that the underwriter would not cover me on the new car because of my age, and therefore I had to cancel my policy with several months remaining with the potential refund being swallowed up by 'admin fees' even though it was them who wouldn't cover me! Thieves! So just a warning to anyone who is in the same situation as I was! Same thing happened me with Chris Knott when I swapped the 350 for the M6. Half way through the policy I changed the car and they couldn't get me insured. Admiral it is then But it was a bitter pill to swallow losing those 6 months NCB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren-B Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Right I'm going to have my 2p, I bought a 987 Boxster S a couple of months ago as my daily, Although I'm a huge fan of the Z car, the porsche I a far better drivers car, feel,grip,balance,handling. The power is good to, my 3.2s level pegs in straight line performance to a 350zHR & on track leaves the 350's sucking on v-power vapour. The only downsides against a zed car is that the 987 doesn't drift like a zed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 Right I'm going to have my 2p, I bought a 987 Boxster S a couple of months ago as my daily, Although I'm a huge fan of the Z car, the porsche I a far better drivers car, feel,grip,balance,handling. The power is good to, my 3.2s level pegs in straight line performance to a 350zHR & on track leaves the 350's sucking on v-power vapour. The only downsides against a zed car is that the 987 doesn't drift like a zed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriffGTV Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 ..huh, so you like it leaded?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 This is why they cost more to start with and are now at least 3x the value of a used DE350. A 2007 Cayman S can be had for around 16k these days, a 2007 HR around 9k. A 2007 Cayman S cost 50 grand when new, an HR cost in the region of 30 grand. While in percentage terms the Cayman has done a bit better than The Zed in actual £'s in your pocket its done a lot worse. They also cost a lot more to start with because Porsche make an average of $28k (2007 figures) on every car they sell, the highest profit margin of any car manufacturer. Pete A 2015 Cayman GTS list price is £55k but you think an S cost £50k eight years ago??? They were 45k when introduced in 2006 , but that was for the basic model which is very basic indeed. Add some of the things that you get as standard in the GT Package on the HR Zed, like electric seats, Bi-Xenon lights. rear window wiper. etc, plus metallic paint you're probably looking at an average sale price of around £50k, in fact looking at the list and eye watering price of options I'd bet that many Cayman S's actually cost their original owners 55k back in 2006/7. Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 And there worth every bit more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjt Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Right I'm going to have my 2p, I bought a 987 Boxster S a couple of months ago as my daily, Although I'm a huge fan of the Z car, the porsche I a far better drivers car, feel,grip,balance,handling. The power is good to, my 3.2s level pegs in straight line performance to a 350zHR & on track leaves the 350's sucking on v-power vapour. The only downsides against a zed car is that the 987 doesn't drift like a zed. +1, I loved my Zed when I had it, but the Cayman would run rings round it on roads like the Triangle. Just put MPSS on mine too which has made it even more supple but with more grip, well worth doing EDIT: Don't get me wrong, the 350Z was a great car and I will probably have another one someday Edited July 27, 2015 by jjt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted July 27, 2015 Share Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) This is why they cost more to start with and are now at least 3x the value of a used DE350. A 2007 Cayman S can be had for around 16k these days, a 2007 HR around 9k. A 2007 Cayman S cost 50 grand when new, an HR cost in the region of 30 grand. While in percentage terms the Cayman has done a bit better than The Zed in actual £'s in your pocket its done a lot worse. They also cost a lot more to start with because Porsche make an average of $28k (2007 figures) on every car they sell, the highest profit margin of any car manufacturer. Pete A 2015 Cayman GTS list price is £55k but you think an S cost £50k eight years ago??? They were 45k when introduced in 2006 , but that was for the basic model which is very basic indeed. Add some of the things that you get as standard in the GT Package on the HR Zed, like electric seats, Bi-Xenon lights. rear window wiper. etc, plus metallic paint you're probably looking at an average sale price of around £50k, in fact looking at the list and eye watering price of options I'd bet that many Cayman S's actually cost their original owners 55k back in 2006/7. Pete You need to take your 350z glasses off for a few seconds a day The base price of base cars was £30k & just over £40k. Yes Porsche options are horrendous, but any worse that Birdpoo Sat Nav in the Zed for £2k, £2.5k for Nismo kit or £2k for Nismo wheels???.............easily a £36k car without trying. Anyway, even if the 2007 base cars are £7k apart now, isn't that to be expected? The Zed's main attractiveness has always been it's price/performance against more expensive cars. I actually bought my UY GT4 Zed for £36k ahead of a boxster or TT at the time, mainly because it was cheaper than the rest but almost as good; doesn't that still apply but just with different numbers now?? Edited July 28, 2015 by Sarnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GriffGTV Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 yeah ists all about value / money / performance / character .. thats why TVR are so popular - The Griff was introduced at £21k in 92 - just hearing one start up whithout seeing it, most enthusiasts would do anything to find the money - then seeing one....'omg!' - If you had it, you would probably happily have paid 50% more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 yeah ists all about value / money / performance / character .. thats why TVR are so popular - The Griff was introduced at £21k in 92 - just hearing one start up whithout seeing it, most enthusiasts would do anything to find the money - then seeing one....'omg!' - If you had it, you would probably happily have paid 50% more i notice you left out reliability 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargara Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Topic summary: Ex-350z owners slating the car, and current 350z owners happy with their car. Stop the presses! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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