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Nope, 350 DIN hp. Check the Toyota uk website.

The Supra has 350hp. No idea where you’re getting 382 from.

Trolololololol

Works perfectly for me. Click it, brings up a pic, click that and you get taken to the manual.

Apart from that stupid Lexus front end, I adore that. It’s gorgeous.

Anyone who expects the Supra to feel massively different from the Z4 needs their head examining. It’ll be like the difference between the GT86 and the BRZ: it’s just damping and spring rates. I don’t even expect the fixed roof to make any real difference tbh. All the Supras that have gone before have been GT cars, and this will be another one. Competent of course, but no weapon.

1490 kg. or 20 kg lighter than the Z4. Interestingly the Z4 M40i 0-60 has now been updated by BMW as of yesterday to 3.9secs... https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/usa/article/detail/T0285141EN_US/the-new-bmw-z4

Unless we get a sudden miracle, we're in for a really sh*t week money-wise.

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Why? Early Supras were a bit rubbish, the mk4 only famous because the turbo version came with a tunable engine and one was used in that film. The GTR has always been in the class above, what with the clever 4WD gubbins, and the 911 has never remotely been in the same ballpark. A Supra is a 2dr Jap coupe, pref with a tuneable turbo engine. That’s what you’ve got here, no? Well, let’s pretend it’s Japanese anyway

So you’d rather it cost £40k more for an extra 200bhp?

But then why not save yourself a couple of grand and buy the BMW, plus you get a free convertible option too

Mentions nothing about extra power, and nowhere have Toyota said it either. I’m calling bs on that site

Where are you getting that from? I’ve only seen the one spec, which has the same spec as the Bmw.

Nope, that’s hideous.

I don't think we've had any sensibly priced truly groundbreaking cars for many years. Those that have been, either in design or technology, have either been poor sellers or just utter garbage. Alpine? Ostensibly an old design anyway. RR Evoque? Can't say I've seen many. Veloster? Not over here. I'd probably accept the Smart range in though, as there's an argument that they're the definition of a modern city car. Possibly also the original Cayenne for the modern fancy SUV, but man that was NOT pretty! Outside of normal money, the P1 definitely tried to do something different.

Ignore him. Literally the best thing to do.

It stopped both Toyota AND BMW, the only way they could make another car was to share the cost of the development! Fact is, no-one wanted a 370Z then, and no-one wants a 400Z now. If it ever comes it'll be many years down the line and it'll be unrecognisable from anything most on here would actually want. And I don't include myself in that many, as I know I'm the only miserable sod who wants a manual 'box and an atmos engine

Exactly. As I've said many times before on GZs many EV threads, an EV is absolutely perfect for city driving and the dull commute. Long may they continue building EVs for that purpose. However if you actually want to drive the pants off the thing...

And how many concepts without an engine do you see that ever get built?

Like what? Random sketch on a page?

So basically not a Leaf, then.

Looks sh*t.

Make it a spec-by-committee 2.0L turbo and it’ll sell peanuts, because why bother when you can buy a quicker and more practical hot hatch? Make it something different by using a V6 and it’ll sell peanuts, because it’ll be so thirsty in comparison and people are terrified of spending £40k on a car and then a few extra quid in fuel. There’s no right answer. Everyone is making 4WD hatches now because that’s what the majority of people want. A 2 seat coupe/convertible the wrong side of £40k just isn’t popular, unless you’re a premium manufacturer. A new Zed simply wouldn’t sell enough to make any money. Even the 718, the best sports car you can buy for non-silly money, isn’t doing anywhere near as well as previously because it has an engine that sounds like a toaster: in all other aspects it’s flawless, but making it so anodyne with that engine now has people looking at alternatives.

You can’t buy them in this country any more though, sadly.