Zedrush

Any thoughts on immaculate conception or the holy trinity?

Tons, but this is not a debate on peoples belief, and as said this thread is not a debate about the validity of evolution, this thread is simply identifying that whilst many people believe in evolution there are many who don't and we should respect that there is room for alternative view what ever your personal views maybe. I accept that there is room to believe that God does not exist and I would never condemn those who believe this, just dont try and say to me that my own belief is wrong and bullsh!^ and that your belief is fact, thats all I ask, in this day and age there is room for validity in different beliefs, except those beliefs which mean harm to others

IMO you need to have a bit of a screw loose to believe in creationism, evolution is pretty much 100% confirmed. To think that some omnipotent being which we have 0 (actually ZERO) evidence to suggest exists created everything on earth in 7 days is ludicrous. In fact I take it as a bit of an insult to the human race to look at all of our achievements since we became modern man.

It's quite funny actually I was working offshore with a devout Christian and one night we were discussing creationism and I said "do you know what oil is", to which he replied "yes of course its decayed plant life from millions of years ago"..........I guess there is no telling some people

 

That's my humble opinion of course.

 

R

 

again we have the pretty much and 100% confirmed in the same line reminds me of anchorman movie when he shows him the panther aftershave and says 60% of the time works everytime funny how you can't say evolution is 100% true. And the fact that you cant say it as an absolute leaves room for an alternative view Just that my alternative view is creationism, if people don't believe in creationism I would never say you have a screw loose

 

Ok i'll say it in my eyes evolution is 100% confirmed!

 

You telling me these folks: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evolutio ... x/4000.htm, don't sound like nutters?

dont stereotype every Christian I respect your belief in Evolution too now lets have a pint make mine semi skimmed milk

IMO you need to have a bit of a screw loose to believe in creationism, evolution is pretty much 100% confirmed. To think that some omnipotent being which we have 0 (actually ZERO) evidence to suggest exists created everything on earth in 7 days is ludicrous. In fact I take it as a bit of an insult to the human race to look at all of our achievements since we became modern man.

It's quite funny actually I was working offshore with a devout Christian and one night we were discussing creationism and I said "do you know what oil is", to which he replied "yes of course its decayed plant life from millions of years ago"..........I guess there is no telling some people

 

That's my humble opinion of course.

 

R

again we have the pretty much and 100% confirmed in the same line reminds me of anchorman movie when he shows him the panther aftershave and says 60% of the time works everytime funny how you can't say evolution is 100% true. And the fact that you cant say it as an absolute leaves room for an alternative view Just that my alternative view is creationism, if people don't believe in creationism I would never say you have a screw loose

Obviously no-one has "seen" an ape turn into a man, but that does not mean it didn't happen. And we have evidence to put forward that it did.

Hi Ak350z I appreciate what you are saying but to say that you have evidence to put forward that ape turned into man actually happened is within itself again trying to mark evolution as an absolute when it is not.

You cannot say 100% that evolution actually happened, just like I cannot say from a scientific point of view that God created man. But it is our belief in evolution that exists due to the plethora of research made and our belief in creation due to the faith and personal experience gained giving us the answers to solve our own personal understanding on how we came into being.

My argument was and never will be about the validity of evolution that others believe, but on the fact that there is room for an alternative view. And whatever that alternative view may be people have a right to choose. And if I choose to place my bet on creation, however stupid or naive people think I am being, then thats my choice, people should not judge me on what I believe, only time I should be judged if I tried to impose my belief forcefully onto other people, which I never would do.

Also note there are plenty of scientists that do not support evolution just like there is many christians who do believe in evolution and many Christians who do not believe Jesus is the son of God. The fact that we come at peace within ourselves on these questions of how we came into being and that we are satisfied with our answers should be enough for the debate on Creationism vs Evolution to come at rest. People are unique, no absolute truth for the whole world will come out of this, people have a right to be unique in their belief. Truth becomes relative which is fitting considering the postmodern times we live in.

I did a 3rd year essay on this and there are some serious pitfalls to evolution and indeed science as a whole. Evolutionary theory is a logical explanation based on observation. But all theory has a week spot...

 

Biological example. - Bombadier Beetle. A beetle that has developed 2 small chambers to hold 2 liquids which when mixed in a 3rd chamber explode. This explosion propels the caustic liquids out at the attacking predator.... how did that happen? The two liquids on their own offer no advantage, mix them together without the proper chambers and your beetle will spontaneously explode.

That would mean an evolutionary "leap" developing the structures and chemistry in one go to obtain any advantage.

 

Science as a whole. - for us to be able to explain the world we need to be able to establish a set of rule. Science seeks to define those rules and explain them. However complexity, chaos, infinite probability etc. Hooked up with uncertenty and issues at a quantum level mean that any Rule can and probably does have an exception. If so there are no rules. And by observing you change the result so are not actually observing impartially.

For science to have any meaning requires there to be a rule, a pattern and therfore something outside that is a universal rule that can not be broken. a God rule if you will. All science is based on the assumption at its root of the possibilty of a unifying rule. All science therefore needs God.

 

The philopause. The point at which the you seek the philosophy behind the knowledge not just the knowledge.

 

It's a self contradicting loop basically

 

By the way I did biological sciences and did modules in evolutionary theory, developtmental physiology, phiolosophy of science and such.

Oh my god, I did a paper on the Bombadier Beetle too first year uni, how weird is that !!!!

I saw this made me laugh, just forwarded it to my mates new girlfriend on facebook, think she will appreciate it ha ha ha, Im sorry Im juvenile

Jay - you were just playing devils advocate weren't you...please tell me you were?!

And if you weren't I mean no offence to your faith

you nutter no offence taken. i just dont buy into it, thats just me I believe God created Adam and Eve Im afraid, but if people believe in Evolution then fair play to them I respect that But don't think you can say its pretty much fact, "pretty much" and "fact" still leaves room for an alternate possibility

 

I do believe in adaptation, but not evolution

 

 

Jay, i think you are right to be taken aback by your mates GF behaviour. You are entitled to your own opinions and beliefs and nothing is factual. But there is a "strong" case for one than the other depending on your perspectives.

In such situations you either walk away since the other person is unwilling to respect your views but if it was a stimulating exercise in intelectual balls swinging with a resonable debater you would find that there are more evidence for evolution than creationism but also in fact that they both have a place to explain life as we know it

 

You cannot ignore the evidence or claim ignorance of the subject as you will leave yourself open to attack from maniacs like that GF eg when you saythings like you believe in adaptation only.................. because evolution is adaptation and vice versa

I understand mate lol and nice points raised, its just that I cant bring myself to accept there is not also other possibilities out there, even if there is a "strong" case for evolution from what scientists have seen. But the same was said on the atom being the smallest molecule ever, and scientists made people believe that because of substantial evidence and the same was said on the world being flat. I just merely raised an issue that evolution is one possible theory but for me if I had to bet i'd place my chips into creationism...

Now I know that people will say have you researched both to conclude your decision to validate why you believe and I'd have to say yes. I have a 2.1 honours degree in theology, I studied it because I was an atheist and I wanted to back up my arguments. I came out as a Christian. But that does not mean I turn my back on all my atheist friends. I cant stand being in a crowd of people rolling around on the floor praising Jesus and condemning those who don't believe thats absolute bull. So why should I stand people who think Im absurd for not believing in evolution. Its funny how they say, the biggest cause of atheism isn't because of the belief itself of Christianity but more of the bible bashing people who represent Christianity. Seems like this girl who thought I was absurd was no different than the Bible bashing Christians Atheists in general shun.

Im sure there are many plausible evidence for evolutionism, and many arguments against my own belief is have you ever seen your God. Answer no but I believe from personal experience and Im sorry scientist can't measure that or put it in a test tube. But if I say have you ever seen an ape turn into a man, then you would say it happens over millions and millions of years, but the fact that no one has ever visually seen it I'd say both our views have validity whether its accepted by all or not

Dinosaurs?

where?

Jay - you were just playing devils advocate weren't you...please tell me you were?!

And if you weren't I mean no offence to your faith

you nutter no offence taken. i just dont buy into it, thats just me I believe God created Adam and Eve Im afraid, but if people believe in Evolution then fair play to them I respect that But don't think you can say its pretty much fact, "pretty much" and "fact" still leaves room for an alternate possibility

I do believe in adaptation, but not evolution

You should ave chucked her a banana and told her to go swing=-O. Righteous bitch.

PMSL Yeh I just spoke to my mate today he apologized and I said what for, youre not her babysitter, he's been dating her for 3 months and has fallen head over heels for her and we hardly see him now, hate it when mates do that

I understand there is a plethora of evidence that contributes to the validity of evolution, but then there are non religious but scientific evidence that also contributes to its flaws, whether one out weighs the other Im not sure but then I am not one to judge, I mean If I were to say evolution is a load of bull then Id be the biggest idiot going understandably because my belief has no empirical substance its just that.. a belief in which I have faith in.

Just couldnt understand why my belief offended her so much she went ape sh!t at my response second thoughts maybe I can see the heritage now

Am confused, was at a mates barbecue last night and we were sitting around table and everyone started to get onto the discussion of evolution, they asked me for my opinion and I said well to me its just a theory and im not to sure on the idea of originating from apes, I believe in creationism but everyone is entitled to their own beliefs..... the whole table went really quiet and looked at me as if i was an outcast

then one of my mates girlfriend who I hadnt met before piped up and said you cant possibly be that backward, evolution is not a theory you moron its a fact do some research before you embarrass yourself some more

Confused I responded saying I meant no disrespect with my views, but they are my views and I would never try and impose them on anyone else, why is it such a bad thing to not believe in evolution and just see it as a theory? She started getting really uptight shouting all sorts of scientific claims to back up why evolution is not a theory, to which I responded that its still a theory its not an absolute to all, just like creationism is not an absolute to all and we have to respect that.... she then said to her boyfriend (my mate) I cant deal with his (me) backward stupidity, he cant be that thick then demanded to be taken home? I looked at my mate he turned to me and said sorry jay I got to take her home??? (*cough* cough* under the thumb *cough* *wheeze* ahem)

I told him to be careful because she might start f&$king a chimpanzee he laughed a bit and then said talk to you tomo mate and they went.

I dont get it? have I missed something? Is evolution been proved 100% like the world not being flat. Surely if it hasn't then im entitled to think different? I wouldnt go around calling someone an idiot if they believe in evolution and not creationism? We are entitled to our own beliefs right?

been doing karate since I was four, thaiboxing from age 16, Sambo from 18. Weight training from age 20. Am 29 now. Use to do a lot of plyometrics getting back into it now, and still do kettlebell and core training. My diets improved a lot lately as shaping to compete again in Sambo and thai. Fight under light heavyweight. Trained at Frank Shamrocks academy 4 years ago, guy is awesome

he has some good views on nutrition:

trying to get my training on par with these guys they are unreal:

OP - Some things to remember:

 

1) Don't get angry with the people you speak to at your insurance co. If they sympathise with you, they'll work harder to help you than if you shout.

2) The rules regarding what these call centre bods can and can't do are very strict. With all due respect to them they are not employed for their ability to make financial decisions on behalf of their employers. Those decisions go up the chain based on the information provided by the person taking the call. Make sure you're very precise when you speak to them and get everything in writing. (Do they record the calls? Can you get a copy of the recording?)

3) Just because the insurance co says they've decided on one course of action it doesn't mean they can't be persuaded to change if you can present new evidence or if you can re-present the same evidence in a different light.

4) You can find this girl's address on the internet and we can organise a 5am meet outside her front door.

 

Am I right in thinking that the girl that hit your Dad has:

 

a) admitted liability YEP

admitted to driving on the pavement (what was her justification for this?) YEP SHE TRIED TO SERVE ROUND AS REACTED TO THE INDICATION TO LATE, AND OTHERSIDE WAS ONCOMING TRAFFICK

c) admitted to driving too fast to stop in time and hit your Dad YEP

d) has now rescinded her admission KIND OF STILL ADMITS SHE IS WRONG, JUST WONT TELL HER INSURANCE

 

Are the police not interested in charging her with driving without due care & attention?!

I have her address, no problem if it doesn't go our way, just cant believe the insurance people, absolute thieving scumbags

if she can't afford the insurance she shouldn't have a car.

 

retard

 

 

 

sorry to hear this zedrush,

 

what insurer were you dealing with, some are better than others.

 

most of mine have been hassle free only had 2 bumps and 1 was my fault. both sorted quickly.

insurance company is MORE THAN, absolute joke

did tell them that but then how do you prove a phone conversation. Its a joke. My sister was in similar state last year, she had her car stolen in lead container supposedly, her house insurance went up, car insurance went up, when they found the guy whos fingerprints was all over the car and who stole it, they fined him a £150 and thats it, said could not prove he stole it but the fact he knowingly owns a stolen car he gets fined just that.

Im fed up, human rights??? should call it criminal rights

Not sure if you remember, my dads car got hit as we were pulling into his drive, he indicated and a corsa car with a load of kids in it hit his car, they came round the bend to fast and went up on the pavement. they admitted liability to the police and admitted it was their fault. I said to dad Id sort out the insurance for him as he hasnt got time to sort it out...

so....

I called up his insurance and told them what had happened, gave them the police details and reference number and all info of the girl who hit the car. Then had to draw a diagram of what happened, piece of cake. They are getting his car fixed but said we had to pay the excess which is £1050 and also his insurance is due in 10 days and they said he loses 2 years no claims so adds on another £900. I then say but you have police records stating she claimed liability and that she was driving on the pavement at speed when she hit the car, and also the fact that she said dad had indicated but she was driving too fast to stop hence why she went up on the pavement. Why not chase her company for the money instead of charging my dad and then after work is done claim money back, he could be waiting up to 7 months before you sort this out....

They respond saying that the third party have not admitted liability and that the police cannot give them all the information regarding the event even if she had admitted liability. I then call the girl up and she said she has been meaning to call me... she said she couldnt afford her excess so she said to her insurance not to go ahead with it and that she will get her dad to fix her car. She then said she could sort out an arrangement to pay him back little by little, then she said your dad owns a Porsche surely he can afford to get it fixed rather than going down this route I then told her to choose her words very carefully.... I told her id be in touch then put the phone down.

Then got back in touch with insurance company and they said because on the diagram it shows dad turning into the drive they regard this as a dangerous manoeuvre even though he indicated it could go 50/50 I said what about her driving on the pavement?!?!?!?!? they said they will look into this a bit more and get back to me....

What is the point of insurance when you have to go through this rigmarole. Seems like the victims suffer and the criminals get away with murder. If this does not go our way I will be taking matters into my own hands dont worry about that, just cant believe this

if Gordon stays pm then i will have to move, no way will i be able to operate in this country under another 5 years of Labour, working in favour of people who rely on hand outs

when does who is pm get announced?

 

 

Depends.

 

If Conservative win enough seats (doubtful) then later today.

 

If it's a hung parliment then it has to be done before 25th May.

just read Gordon is trying to get lib dems to team up with him, does he not get the message, tories are winning in votes and in seats, they should be rightfully elected ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i hate this country and all its red tape its all bull

when does who is pm get announced?

I like to think that as Brits we struggle through the organisational chaos and it balances out. Its part of being a brit.

 

For those that didnt see it the BBC exit poll says the tories are 19 seats away from a clear majority but the biggest shock is Labour are second with the Lib Dems 3 seats less than before.

not surprising i know alot of hard working people vote labour and i mean no disrespect to you if you do nor would i put you in the same class as the people who im abouts to mention when i say this but a lot of social benefit thieves, chavs with 50 kids 50 different fathers, people who dont want to work and live off the dole, and many others who abuse the system will vote labour cos they get away with murder.

............however I have been in the 40% tax band since I was 19 so I have to look after what I make as I've worked hard to get it ..........

I wonder how many members checked what job you do after that post Stew

Dont you know Stews a Pimp daddy, but Louis (Sl114) hasnt been earning him a lot lately

I tried voting BNP just so they would ship my dad off

Voted Conservatives

Put my vote in this morning, funny thing was there was an old gentleman there and he went up to the lady at the desk and said who do I have to vote for if I want Gordon Brown out?

Who thinks its stupid that they do it by pencil paper system, surely this is easily manipulated?

Wow very nice, clean install me likey

nutty brigade coming through... choo choo...

love em