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so for comparisons sake you need to compare say a teacher in the public sector with say an instructor in the private sector? like a fitness instructor they can earn anywhere between £16k - £50k but you don't need a degree to do that there aren't many like for like comparisons with teachers so its not so easy to do. i suppose you could compare our admin staff but they aren't on the same pension we are and the pay is the same as private. i suppose if you look at medical professionals to be honest the same people work in both private and public, but from my understanding there is a lot more cash in the private sector i believe a civil pilot for virgin earn smore than a RAF pilot. there isn't really a private police force or fire service, and the only private army i can think of is mercenaries, but they earn alot more than the the average squaddie. i just get the feeling that no matter what is said your mind is made up; i agree that public sector requires some adjustment to pensions. but if you take into account my time spent in education and then compare it against say a doctor who only spent 1 more year in uni than i did but you add the teacher training on which is pretty much unpaid work. qualification time is around the same. yet their salaries are almost double and people don;t seem to mind them striking. i do my job becuase i enjoy it, i get alot of satisfaction from it and i like the job security for now and the future. i know what i signed up for and thats what i expect (within reason) at the end. people refer to the head teacher salary etc headteachers account for a very small percentage of teaching staff. not everyone does their full stint, infact in the 8 years i've been teaching i've only seen 4 teachers retire who've clocked up more than 30 years service. if we're hittign public sector pay and pensions why not look at the armed forces? no one wants to do that as its not going to make anyone popular. so much easier to hit the front line staff. if its going to be changes made it has to be done across the board that means everyone, mp's, armed forces, civil servants etc i'm just sick of being the easy target, gove seems to be at it every week. its one of the few professions that everyone has some experience of (being a student) so everyone feels they're able to tell me how to do my job. i don't walk into a barristers chambers and tell him what i think he should or should not be doing?

how many times did the hook handed preacher manage to avoid deportation becuase he played the euro court game. i'm all for being part of a free trade market but why on gods good earth are we the only ones who seem to follow the euro courts rules to the letter. somebody please take us out of it

I'm supposed to be before the Daisy's are taller than the cat. But a gym session is calling!! Spot of tyre flipping if the rain holds off!! excersise is next on my to do list today. started 2 weeks ago and have managed to lose about half a stone.

going to mow the lawn in a sec

if your lazy and never wanted to use the old wheel centres, you can always glue some sticks to the centres let dry and then they should pull out the centres. needs to be good glue. and need plenty of surface contact.

I think I recall reading on here that it's about a litre, but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct me. it would be about a litre possible 3/4 of a litre

Public sector pay is already HIGHER than private sector, and has been for a while. then why am i £15k - £20k less pay a year than the counter parts from my degree course who i trained with at uni? thats the same education background, same degree, leaving at the same time, but some went private sector others like me went public. thats a like for like comparison. as for pensions, i doubt they'll be anything left in 40 years time so i'll get to the end of nearly 50 years teaching; so i'll spend 50 years being under paid and under valued and get nothing at the end. i'm already making alternative pension plans just in case.

you hit the nail on the head, its what i wanted to say but just got frustrated

i'm sorry but as a teacher i'm on about half what i could be in the private sector. what i work and what i get paid for would put me rougly on minimum wage. i can;t retire till 70 and thats 40 years away, already done 8 years, so who knows what it will be by the time i get there. i'm currently a bog standard teacher but i'd put my work load equivilant to that of say an engineering manager of a decent sized department which would be a salary of about £60k a year. i'm sorry that you don;t like my pension but i think its the balance to the job. honestly i know most of you think you work hard but come try mine for a year and then tell me its easy. and i speak from experience as i've worked in both private and public sector. and i know which is easier.

Can't beat a bit of rage against the machine - no shelter with this cranked up high on a good sound system you can;t help but drive hard

i think it might be appropriate, I teach people how to use tools I work with tools I like tool time I have a big tool I am a big tool seems apropriate

HPBD

i frickin love tool time

its what happens when you beat one to within an inch of its life

great cars the S2k i'd actually rate it as a better drive than the 350z but don't tell the others. i ended up swapping the other way a while back. went from zed to S2K best move i ever made. my advice is if you love the S2K make sure you've fully test driven the zed before you commit.

i can only speak from a teaching perspective, but personally i dn't like being lumped in with all the UNITE type people. and i'm not actually a member of any union as i don't agree with them, i don't strike and have agreed with the need for change. but as a teacher i earn alot less than i could do in industry, i do a very difficult job, that everyone seems to have an opinion on how it should be done but very rarly want to do it themselves. it has some of the highest stress rates in the country and highest levels of early retirement due to ill health and depression. i'm sorry but i think i earned my pension pot at the end, and most likely i'll die 18 months after picking it up as its also been seen that once teachers stop and retire the body relaxs to the point of death if you want my pension you're all more than welcome to come spend 45 years with me and a bunch of kids in a classroom

big meanie

fair enough, but the money we get does end up back in the system like you said, i just find it difficult sometimes when i work extremely hard, yet i sometimes feel i'm seen as some kind of paracite on the underbelly of the private sector. if it wasn't for teachers like myself the private sector would be greatly diminished as there wouldn't be enough qualified people to do the jobs, or it would be completly done by immigrants who were educated else where. you might not like paying for the public sector but who else is going to educate your kids? i do think public and private have to have a symbiotic relationship and that the private sector should be the larger part of the economy (i.e. the amount of people it employs) i don't agree with creating public jobs just for the sake of spending money. but i do think there should be certain rewards to working in the public sector especially if your frontline i.e. teachers, nurses, police etc.

not quiet true, i work in public sector and pay taxes therefore the money i get paid 20% and then some goes back in to the economy. i don't get to choose my holidays, if i'm sick in them then tough, and i regularly work through my holidays as well. i'm not saying i have it harder, but its no walk in the park, and not all public sector workers are spoungers, or idiots, most of those work at county level and we have to deal with them as well.

Doh!

I shall name thy self... The Tool

not unless you see them coming!