I bought the Invidia and the HFCs at the same time, fitted them, and found it loud. I dropped the standard cats back on but found it a bit meh, and put the HFCs back on again. If I could dial it back a couple of db that would be perfect, but its okay; mine is a toy and a project, I drive probably no more than 50 miles a month. If it were a daily driver I'd definitely keep the stock cats. I don't know where you are, but if you happen to be in the South West and want to listen to mine your welcome.