Maggz

But you're missing the key component....laws have sticks, consequences, which are threatening people with punishment if they don't follow them, which is quite a bit different from advice that wearing masks is smart. I'm expecting that people won't break the law, but that they won't give a rat's ass about your fellow countrymen if it's just someone's advice. Which the past few months have proven. If advice is good enough, why dont we advise people to not rape kids, or kill people or sell drugs? Because no one cares about advice, people will do whatever they please. People are just offended when anyone suggests the average person is a irresponsible t***s. So we're now trying to twist laws and advice and trying to make them equal as both rely on people "being adults" whatever that means

I'm not expecting police to be there or do anything. What I'm saying is that legislating something is enough to make 80% of people fall in line. I don't need to see police to know not to steal. I know that if I do steal, there's a chance I'll get in trouble, just as for smoking indoors. Currently there is nothing which will give people the same chance of getting in trouble and detract most from doing it. Which is a lot better then what we have today. It's not hurting anyone, just saving so I'm confused why anyone would think it's not a good idea or that having nothing (as-is) is better.

What?

Can you light up a cigarette in any of those places? How is that policed? How is this any different? The law is clear around smoking indoors, including what the punishment is, why isn't it about masks? And there's no policing about cigarettes, people just don't break the law. If it's a question of convenience, then it's easy to not wear it. But if you knew you were breaking the law, and someone could call the cops, you would probably wear it. All this drama around policing, costs, etc is just laziness. Vast majority of people just decide to not break any laws. And if a new law comes into place, you accept it, as your morals are to not break any laws. Most people don't have a list of laws they like breaking and those they don't. So people just adjust and find a way to make them work.

You're acting like you're living in poor country. Just exercise the law and tax Amazon, Apple and Google for their profits just as everyone else pays them, and you'll all be living on benefits for the next decade. Anyone telling you that there's no money is lying. It'sjust hard to take it from companies that help you win an election or have funded your campaign or party. This goes for all sides.

Ensure there's a few years of PPE purchased, make masks mandatory everywhere apart from in your own house, 2m social distancing inside and out. Anyone that can ensure the 2m rule and masks, can have their business, school, factory, etc. open, anyone who can't gets govt. support to survive this period, or support to reorganize so they can actually apply and follow the rules. And brace for a rough autumn, winter and spring. That would be a good start

Anything that can cause someone's death needs to be regulated and prevented. Why should people die because some tard believes 5g is causing all the problems, covid is a scam and dead birds are the proof. That one idiot can infect tens of people. Another issue is that a lot of people are asymptomatic but still spreading, and if they don't have laws forcing them to wear masks, they won't do it as it inconveniences them. And they can still cause other people to suffer or die... because inconvenience. It's so disgraceful that we trust people around something that actually killed over 50.000 people and did not legislate all the measures. Yes I would 100% want stricter and legislated measures and not just asking people to be smart, as they clearly are not. This is now 2 months old but just read this article. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/12/health/britain-masks-intl-gbr/index.html I mean just this part shows how smart and responsible the UK public is when you let them do the right thing: "in late April in the UK around 25% of people wore face masks or coverings in public places. This is staggeringly low compared to 83.4% in Italy and 63.8% in Spain in the same period." Heartbroken, disappointed, and extremely sad, and what hurts even more is people defending the absolute stupidity of not legislating, as we now know that it was wrong, and that it made us one of the worst countries in the world. But inconvenience is obviously worse...

Good old common sense

Your memory is very short I assume as Italy was already on 10k dead when most people in the UK were still joking around that it's just like the flu, and no measures were even being discussed. You also obviously also forgot that there were 5 cobra meetings on covid and he didn't attend a single one. It was clear in Feb already how serious this was due to the Italian situation and it took Boris a full month to do something about it. So yes, it's absolutely his and his government's fault. The whole thing was an absolute joke.

Adult means you're above 18 years old, has nothing to do with intelligence, education, or common sense, and us having the worst infection and death rates in Europe literally proves that you can rely on the general public to do the right thing on their own

Why should he do what "the people" want during a pandemic. He needs to do what the science demands. **** the people. What does my nan know about covid? Or me and you for that matter? He needed to save lives and he failed 50k people and all their families as he was a few weeks late with literally every measure

https://www.newstatesman.com/covid19/2020/07/how-uk-failed-covid-19-international-view-0 Last to impose lockdown rules, sending sick people to care homes then blaming care homes for the death and infection rates, asking people to do the right thing instead of legislating it, failing the whole NHS with not providing enough PPE, hell he even toured and shook hands with covid patients. I mean the only thing he didn't (yet) do is lick hospital floors. He also did great defending Dom when he broke lockdown rules (twice apparently), just as well as doing great giving guidance that a lot of people didn't understand. The UK was consistently in the top 5 worse countries in the world when it comes to infection rates and death rates during the first wave. He's doing so well, that he's become the second biggest meme generator next to Trump. He's a true national treasure. And the one thing you think he's done better than May is forcing a hard brexit where she wanted some sort of an agreement to protect the UK economy. I guess the amazing trade deal with the US is his way of protecting the economy, we just need to rip out Huawei from our networks first at the cost of £2bn for the telecom providers and not have 5g until Americans or Cisco figure out how to do it. But we're a rich country that can spend £2bn on something ridiculous that Trump wants and not invest it into NHS, infrastructure, social housing, schools or anything else.

So what, now you expect them to be rational all of a sudden?

In what way is Boris doing fine? Compared to who?

We've not left yet. Only on paper but in reality nothing has changed yet and nothing will, at least until end of December. We should probably revisit this thread again in 2021 when we can actually have a discussion around customs as they are, prices, traffic, and whatever else. All that's happened so far is Covid and politicians trying to get cheap points with "tough stance" on negotiations, that's about it.