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Lol ^ We are now not perfect because of what Adam and Eve did, not because of God. Not a defect as in he doesn't care about us anymore, otherwise why allow the world to go on at all. By defect I mean not perfect so with fault ie cancer, faculties at old age, disabilities, diabetes, motoneurons disease, down syndrome, hair lost like me etc. God isn't punishing anyone for what has happened in the past. From that day in eden things are set in motion and have to run their course until he choses to come back. Otherwise he'll loose the credit from all the other Angels. Supposedly it's like for example an F1 weekend, bare with me. This now is like Saturday qualifying, which is preparation for the main event. We can't even get our heads round today to begin to think of Sundays race which is the whole idea. Not to say the Saturday isn't import, it's very important and decides the grid for tomorrow. It's just time wise qualifying is taking a long gad damn time *for us, to which not everyone wants to get through.

Less the dramatic music, this video seems on a level. The Bible documents many facts later seen by science. It's obvious the Bible wasn't wrote by knowledge from man, but of supreme being as the knowledge was sooooo advance.

∆ disrespectful act right there lol

Looks lush! Saw this at Silverstone and thought WOW

People don't die because of God, people don't do bad things because of God. If before a night out you tell your son to behave and have a good time. Later that night the son finds himself in a brawl at the uni, that's not the dad's fault is it? Everything that you or I have done naughty or not to our parents liking isn't due to our parents doing? Due to what Adam and Eve did, we're no longer perfect and with defect. The ball has been chucked down the hill and it has to run its course to the bottom. All only my understanding.

Many truly awful, unreasonable and damn right unfair things happen in life. More people are living today than have ever died in history. I believe we are all living due to God's will. Yes he has killed many many people history, however if you see a man building a massive boat in the middle of dry land and nowhere near sea with countless animals crossing continents to hop on board.... If you don't choose to take a free ticket that's your own fault in my view. As said before if he were to intervene, the whole point of his project would be invalid. Adam and Eve sinned first and thus defects were present in man ever since sadly.

Lol I had the very same talk with a practicing JW, I said is your faith the correct world of God? He said of course. I said how do you know for sure. He said because it says so here in the Bible. And showed me words to that effect. I said but surely all the other religions say the same thing in their book. I for get his answer but I think we said the above again a few times. So yeah fair comment on the choose the right one. I said to Colin at the weekend. What about a person living in Greenland or similar or an Eskimo. Doesn't speak English and his/her parents have a particular way of life maybe not founded in the Bible or any version similar or well known religion. What about them, is this person what God is looking for? He said here in the Bible it says the word of God will spread to all parts of the land in time for his return. Now to me physically that's not possible surely, so what happens then? He said his reply again. My thinking is what about children that have not had the time to choose a religion or not, on the approch to 'the day of return's what happens to them? Well I have an idea but I think it's very similar to our folks in Greenland for example. From the above I would say Colin although possibly a good man, is not adjusting from his thoughts not one bit about how things go. You have many different chapters of the Bible, what I mean is religions from the same book that all believe in slightly different things. Example, some believe the son, father and holy spirit are one being. In the Bible it's said that age 12 i think it was, jesus went missing? Was later found in a nearby church. Said to his folks (bit cheeky I thought) where else would I be but in the father's home. If they are one being, he'd have said he was in his own home and not his father's surely. So yeah it's very much down to one's own interpretation and understanding apply logic and reasoning along the way. But who knows for sure right. #longpostalert

Boo angry and defensive, just why? Everyone today is hung up on not wanting to be wrong. We have conversations not in real time but via forums or social media, giving time to answer and collect ones thoughts. Anyone can be an expert of a particular topic if the Google the answer and sell as their own knowledge. I'd rather present my own true thoughts and if I'm wrong, I can genuinely learn going forward. The hole topic on faith for me is kinda as I'd much rather believe in a certain faith and ultimately turn out to be wrong, than not believe at all. Because if it turns out to be the real deal, oh boi Mines R34 GTR for me please G

Cheers chaps Not herd of agnostic before, every days a school day. Evolution is a theory and the complexity of the earth and everything living is not as a result of chance and randomness in my mind. Supposedly we were made in his image, thus already made like you and I.

I'm not a hardcore bible dude, I rarely but do drink, live in sin, lie, get jealous of mates with nice cars LOL like anyone else ultimately like most try to live and show others respect. many aspect of the bible I like, I guess most from what I understand, but parts I don't like again partly due to my understanding maybe. Not a hater of science or technology, however never been sold on the idea ok monkey to man. But yes 1000000000% believer in Jehovah God. Genuinely enjoying this thread, debates over the age old debate and its been kept respectful which I think is great of the forum

Made with 100% freewill the same as the angels and yes left to it so to speak. Why, that's the big question. Its to show him (the red angel with the long pointy tail) and his boys, that good can prevail over bad. To me its a massive game of pride and honour, as all the other angels are watching this pet project unfold. If I made the best race engine ever and said this is unbreakable, no amount of abuse could break the engine. My mate goes 'give us the key and we'll see how strong your build is'? Well ive said it now and everyone is watching as I hand over the keys. I can't then ask for the keys back until he is satisfied the build is good. 6021 years and many services later, the build is still holding up............................. just.

makes perfect sense, one of the most green long serving car builders in the world if not the

Never really thought about it until this thread to be fair. Time scale wise is a tough one, however the good book says: Day 1 - heavens and the earth. Day 2 - the sky. Day 3 - dry land. Day 4 - stars and heavenly bodies ''the sun which is the primary source of light and the moon which reflects the light of the sun. The movement of these bodies will distinguish day from night'' (at this point I guess one day is created as we know it today ie 24hrs) however the word day was used before to explain time so surely must be different in terms of length. Day 5 - all life that lives in the water. Day 6 - all the creatures that live on dry land including man. Day 7 - He chilled and watched the moto GP, which I make it to be about 6000 years ago and still continues today. If day 6 was the start of all land animals, that might give an indication into the length of a God day and not a earth day of 24hr.

There were four of use at the services for 8am, two 50z and two 70z. Think we left around 8:15am as any later was pushing our luck. Upon entry I managed to blag a ticket from npoc to get in and parked, not the experience one would hope for. Few of my videos from the day.

I have a problem with that calculation too

The whole topic I find intriguing. It's said the earth was made at zero degrees axis with no seasons, clouds would foam much like today and cool on the late evening allowing for rain at night fall. Ta damn, rain with no sun light means no rainbow. Seems far out to me and not what some Christians believe.

God's scale of time is very different to ours, put it this way we're still in the seventh day. It's said there was never a rainbow in the sky before the great flood in Noah's day? Very interesting to know why, or rather ideas about this.

Finding truth in something man made is a sure given and not something people dispute. Its finding truth in things not man made which is the kicker? Wouldn't it be nice know how the Egyptian pyramids were actually made? CERN is a project a lot more scary than particle collision, another one of my pet concerns haha

and yet around the world on race day you see grand stands that are half full

ello & welkom, stick around

Or fully never quite know for sure...........

I agree with the one gear idea about religion, and not all of the bible sits well with me and no doubt if I read more there would be more I don't agree with. I guess this would be down to how its written (rewrote, translated edited and rehashed) and my own understanding of the piece. If science is ever evolving on a quest for truth, how does one know once truth has been reached?

When Science does do a u turn of supposed facts, I myself do see this as a sign of weakness. As up until that point people will scream until their blue in the face this thinking is correct. However tomorrow, their believes will change completely and now today they are right. From what I gather faith isn't correct today and wrong tomorrow, its set motion from the get go as being correct in a persons belief if that's ones bag LOL

No one is intending on making this thread a science v religion debate, not something that can be won either side. You choose to comment on part of my post which is fine, we're all busy and such like. Point was how we perceive proof. No one on this forum can view more evidence for example about said vehicles top speed any more than they can a mk6 Golf TDi factory emission test when new. IE living witnesses, produced data, pictures, video and documents. Doubt many people cared about the Golf at the time, however it was taken that in all conditions the engines emissions would be legal and above board. Later proven to be false, however all the evidence was presented to show otherwise. How big was the Roman empire? yes almost all of Europe as we know it today and parts of north Africa. Yes we all believe it to be true with no more evidence than what is written in the Bible about documented events as an example. Not everything can be proven by conventional methods as per my last post. Aspect in science are based in theory which is fine and has to be that way.

Alot of what we hear and are told is believed. Back in the 90's as an example the fastest road car ever made did 241mph. Very few people have ever witness it physical doing this speed. Yet we all believe it to be true. Man to the moon, again most folks believe this to be true. Point is belief is not based on individuals witnessing events for themselves, but a belief or faith in what we are told without individual proof. My man who we all loved very much, I would not be able to prove to anyone how much I loved her or if I did at all, doesn't mean it's not true. Maybe AI will present it's findings soon on the matter lol I fear for heads of state, as true AI won't like corruption even if it's asked to turn a blind eye.