davey_83

Replied to your PM I could pick just as many wholes in the observed and untested theory of evolution as one could about the Bible, thank you for your efforts. I'll await the wave of YouTube videos on the 24th September for the OP topic lol

Cheers for that, seem very clear cut but as I suspect it's wrong. Biology has vindicated Darwin: researchers have identified primitive eyes and light-sensing organs throughout the animal kingdom and have even tracked the evolutionary history of eyes through comparative genetics. (It now appears that in various families of organisms, eyes have evolved independently.) Similar genetics is not proof of evolution, it's similar however not changing. Of course animals that live in dark places need other instruments other that normal eyes to see light as we do now. Where is it documented of genetics of a creature changing form into another creature? We can find fossil of dinosaurs, however where are these half pig half elephant creatures fossils that are in museums all over the world? All theory at very best, nowt more. Christians can believe what they wants as mentioned I'm not a Christian lol I have previously in this thread stated my own personal thoughts on age of the earth with back up for this.

When did I say I thought the earth was 6000 yrs old?........ Viruses are just that, they don't become anything other than a virus. Im after facts that a fish became a human? Clearly evolution is constant, so where our freak half lizard half monkey animal? Yes codes of DNA or life structure might be similar, but not the same or changing into a different species. There has never been any documented incident of this in the entire history of the earth, if so link me already with the facts. I've done my best to present by answers to questions, I would appreciate the same courtesy.

The word of God is not a concept. I've provided examples of knowledge found in the Bible not seen by science until generations later. As I've said openly, I'm not a Bible SME I can't qualify most aspects of the scriptures. Picking holes in a fictional book is a pretty fruitless task for you I'm sure. If I've missed it I apologise, would be keen to see evidence of evolution and details of how zeezeebaba life is now better without the bible? Happy for PM - Genuine questions

Observation, on the meaning question. My reply was taking into account humanity as a whole and not just thinking about myself. You're reply centred around meaning for you with friends and family validating your meaning....... Over and over again we hear superior physical strength isnt ones gaurentee of success in sport, mentality is just as important towards performance. State of mind is crucial, deadline with pressure is key. Years back I qualified for the world skills Olympics 2004 iirc, manage to get through to the 3rd round and the next would have been training in Helsinki for the televised competition. I didn't go no further but the pressure to do a skill in the comfort of a small workshop compared to the world stage is said to be very different and that's where mentality takes over. You have the skills to do a job, however can those skills be shown on the world stage? I think new and shiny are attractive entities, science is new and constantly evolving. The Bible is old and found at the back of bed side tables collecting dust, figures. Peace and love

Sorry, I meant to say the the false Messiah is coming. I appreciate yours and all the comments above, I truly do. I to don't worry about the meaning, supposedly in my mind I already know.

Yes, wouldn't it a wonderful to truly know for sure why this is all here? I mean truly know. Shocked me this week in learning, not only from this forum but a TV program now on YouTube called the big question. Where by God really isn't in the forefront of people's mind. How did we come to be, chance star dust, maybe something else. Most people ultimately are not bothered. Trees provide oxygen by design, yeh not bothered. The sun maintains life on earth and the rain has its role, yeah not bothered. Oh did you see the sale on for the new S7, wow what a score. Just me ranting for once, but makes me sad as I truly feel in most people's heart of heart God has no place. One day my belief is are and this isn't news for anyone is that the answers will come, and it won't be found down the end of a telescope. However before then we have to endure the false Messiah.

My feeling are science can't not prove things that are in existence. Touching back to what I said. Can love remain in a person for someone who has died, yes. So this is something in existence, yes. Did I love my man before and now after she has died, yes. Can science in anyway prove I loved her with facts? No, therefore not everything in existence can be proven with facts. Humour me, but if you have faith God does provide understanding to everything in existence, something science will never do. Science provides no reason as to why we are all here or how nothing then became something. I'd rather live in a world that has meaning, than one that doesn't.

Do you think there is? I like this answer using a question gig.

Physical ability understood, coloured folk run fast lol What about genetics or science behind, Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton?...... A near perfect blend of star dust?...... Proof of evolution? I'm clearly interested in a non believers POV. Meaning to life?

Exactly blessed almost. You can not manufacturer raw talent, Hitler tried that and failed FACT. What's different about the great ones is they have the availability to perform at the very highest level again ana again, that's the difference. Not that Bolt is 0.1 seconds across the line faster, it's that his done it at the games again and again that my friend is the difference. I would need to read up on Mohammed and then make my own judgement. Don't know enough about him either way. From speaking to friends alot of the Bible and Qur'an mirror each other, so would make sense that he very well could have existed. Proof of evolution?

I disagree, no amount of money or training will make Jolean Palmer into Lewis Hamilton....... MJ showed you can turn black to white, not white to black lol

Belief to me should never feel like pressure, I'm not sure but today I don't feel under pressure. I am who I am and if it's not good enough for big G il have to live with that. But I genuinely don't feel pressured or obligated to live a curtain way. I live my life, anyone in my FB will see my post are filled with my children, mrs and cars. If I turned away from my beliefs what more could I do to be happier In myself? Asking a genuine question. Single parent mom raised me and my little brother, she had to be mom and dad for us. Worked and held down i kid you not 5 jobs at once, all low paid jobs as she came from JA very young to better herself. Spoke no English so struggled in school in the 70's. I already have more than she ever had and I thank God every day for my life and give thanks without obligation.

We've all seen the movie - highly respected doctor Prof. Sid Watkins, clearly a very intelligent man speaks about Senna spirit at the time of the crash. Now I won't pretend to know more than Watkins but he said what he thought. Professional sports and athletes at the very highest level are said to have a gift. Nothing that can be manufactured taught, replicated, bought with money or wished for. Hitler tried his very hardest to manufacture track and field athletes for win gold at the Olympics and we all know what happen. These extraordinary men and women are blessed, born to be the very best at what they do. In the animal kingdom all tigers you'd maybe find to be generally the same, as you would expect monkeys and birds and dolphins compared to their peers. Bespoke humans as we are, are different and the way the best best footballers move on the field is a gift, it's not something that can be easily explained as to why Messi is different to Bob who plays Sunday league. Point is for me if we were from evolution and no different from the animal, why is there a massive barometer between normal dudes and Tiger Woods? Unexplained by any measurable means......

Very much doubt anyone has said they know everything about everything......... We know my beliefs clearly, what are yours about how we came to be and why? any facts, doesn't matter, don't care or no facts like the Bible...... *Your thinking Don't get hung up on facts, not everything real can be proven with facts - FACT

Wrong, she has read it that many times since I had grown up and left home I was already onboard. I understand the thinking behind not believing I really do, the Bible to most lacks compelling evidence and even if it did it was wrote thousands of years ago and somehow time kills truth. You ask my grandad how bad was Hitler you can imagine the answer. You ask a kid down the road how bad was Hitler and the answer would be very different. You ask the old workers from Longbridge how they felt about what happen to Rover. You ask a young mechanical today and you'll get very different answers to the same question. We know about the wars and how awful they were but does it play on you mind, do you think about it day to day...... No because it happen years ago. Same for the Bible, it all happen so long ago. Same for jesus, he not even in the thoughts of people today. Not one bit even though the year is 2017 all around the world, what stop the clock? How do we have BC and AD evenyone uses these dates? BC and AD.......... But why? Man's idea, no major event 2017 years ago..... This is a fact of life, time kills truth unless it's something that has been tested and is of human interest going forward time kills. It really hit home for me the power of not believing, when I learnt that David Attenborough a man who has by far seen more wonders of the world than any living person or will ever see and doesn't believe in God. He has seen the worlds most beautiful and stunning sights. Incomparable feats of nature and even sights that will never been seen again however in his mind it's all come to be by chance. This world that is just cool and yet warm enough to sustain liquid water, is hear all by chance with no reason at all. No point to it, insignificant. Made me sad, but I understand that if he doesn't then most also do not - but it's ok.

Yes same tbf, a fair amount of God believing folk must be on the forum however me to fight the flame so to speak but its more than ok. Back to the cherry picking................ The bible is a book ultimately, much like a film. Books are turned into movies and movies to books. Parts of the bible have also had movie adaptations. Two people can read the same book or watch the same film to which one says WOW best film ive ever see. While the other says yeah, was decent can take it or leave it. Who is right? they are both right imo and still took the time to watch the film. we are all individuals with our own minds, of all the billions of people on the earth we are all different, even identical twins are different. So one would be well within their mind to take from a book what they feel to them is right in their own understand and return possibly later to bits that don't. My ol dear has read the Bible 5 times (and counting) and each time its different, as more is revealed about scriptures. Clearly and factually this is true. Did anyone watch Inception? the first time I saw it I was along for the ride and enjoyed the rollercoaster that was in front of me with the awesome special FX's. the second time I watched it again at the cinema, I knew the fx's where there so was able to see the detail in the story and actually enjoyed it more the second time round. I would imagine the Bible is the same. The emotion of love for one another did not come from the Big Bang. Over and over divine knowledge is shown in the bible long before man even had a clue and not from guess work.

Its a puzzle no doubt, however to even consider that two of the animals would get a text to say head to the boat and follow this gps is wonders in itself and no doubt a miracle? Either it all happened or non of it happen is the debate, not the how did they all get along during the time afloat as the miracle has already happen to get the animals to the boat in the first place. Scientist fill gaps in knowledge with theory, which is basically I have no idea but this is what I think. I cant test this nor can I replicate it but for now these ideas are the best I can muster. The Bible leaves no gaps, the only gaps left by the Bible are our own understanding of the scriptures. Job would not have been able to imagine what God described to him long before Jesus, however now we would know it to be a dinosaur. Information is stored in the blood about a person, bible said long before medicine came to understand this. Commination at the speed of light was stated in the Bible long before electrify was invented. Yes all guess work it would seem? Miracles are in my belief system and not in science, however we are all here somehow. Bible provides its reason for this - science doesn't nor will it ever.

LOL drugs Logic would suggest yeah impossible, but he who built the world can surely feed two elephants for a couple months I guess. Im not a Bible SME nor would it be fair to expect me to be, I can answer what I know at least.

hey all, properly to answer all the above I can do after work. What I found interesting about dinosaur bit *obviously a modern name given for such beast that did exist before man is: He is the first of the ways of God; only He who made him can bring near His sword (Job 40:15–19) Of course the Bible can be interpreted any number of ways, the same as any other book for movie for example. That sentence for to Job is describing a type of animal that Job would not be able to see, otherwise why not just go any see that beast for yourself? Then it looks as if not only was this beast before man, but God brought an end to them as he was the one who made them. Im not sure of any animal with a tail like a large tree that was on land and ate plants? ----------- According to The Bible, God instructed Noah to build a boat (to carry two of each kind of land animal) which was 300 cubits long 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high – recommending gopher wood for the enormous lifeboat. The students averaged out the Egyptian and Hebrew cubit measurement to come up with 48.2cm, making the Ark around 144 metres long – about 100 metres shorter than Ark Royal. Using the dimensions, the Archimedes principal of buoyancy and approximate animal wrights they were astonished to find out that the Ark would have floated. http://www.businessinsider.com/scientists-noahs-arc-would-have-floated-with-70000-animals-if-built-by-dimensions-in-the-bible-2014-4?IR=T Thread is purely to share ideas from the OP and beyond, not to sell faith lol

Genesis 6:15 "This is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. No ship had ever been built before this, so no test or trial demo to be created to discover how to build a ship. It had to be right first time, man would not have guessed the dimension on his own. Similar dimension are used for ship building today.

Yes sat back a long time ago, I have faith in his master plan. The story of Job (sounds like Jobe) shows this and to maintain the faith. Awful story about his life.

Sorry if I can answer all questions in a timely manner but I will try LOL Bible's description of a dinosaur-like animal is recorded in Job chapter 40. “Look at the behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. His tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are close-knit. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like rods of iron. He ranks first among the works of God…” (Job 40:15-19). It was a gigantic plant-eater with great muscles and very strong bones. The book of Job is very old, probably written around 2,000 years before Jesus was born.

Sorry Dan I thought I had, presented differently: Is God to Blame for Our Suffering? The Bible emphatically answers no! Suffering was not part of Jehovah God’s purpose for mankind. However, the first human couple rebelled against God’s rulership, choosing to set their own standards of good and bad. They turned away from God and suffered the consequences. Today we are experiencing the effects of their bad choice. But in no way did God originate human suffering. The Bible says: “When under trial, let no one say: ‘I am being tried by God.’ For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.” (James 1:13) Suffering can afflict anyone—even those who are favored by God. Why has God allowed suffering until now? For a limited time, Jehovah has allowed rebellion against his sovereignty. Why? To show that no effort to rule without him benefits people. (Ecclesiastes 7:29; 8:9) After 6,000 years of human history, the evidence is clear. Human rulers have failed to eliminate war, crime, injustice, or disease.—Read Jeremiah 10:23; Romans 9:17. In contrast to human rulership, God’s rule benefits those who accept it. (Isaiah 48:17, 18) Soon, Jehovah will bring all human government to an end. Only people who choose to be ruled by God will inhabit the earth.—Isaiah 11:9; Read Daniel 2:44.

Yeah not subject to change, subject to better more understanding. Even from this thread alone ive learnt things myself, that to me make sense for my belief. I don't agree with everything wrote in the bible, as personally for me it don't sit right but that's better than accepting what's in front of me as gospel. Had his first creation ie his son been a daughter, then we've have said why not a man - cant win either way lol The bible describes a dinosaur long before man had discovered it? the dimension described to Noah for the ark are correct even for ship building today and confirmed by experts in their field? The good book as a whole does provide information about life/facts, long before man at his own pace came to find out........ Above all else the facts shown in the video above are interesting if anything else.