Pete, I don't see why it should be the end of the thread, Adrian made a point and you countered it as you disagreed. There is one thing, however, that does puzzle me and it's to do with the torque results from you car at HDEV. Now be patient with me you FI experts as I am no expert but Peter says Jez has got him some more torque but the torque figure has reduced from around 410 lb/ft to soemthing around 380 or so lb/ft now. To a simple soul as me that is a decrease not an increase, I'm confused , can someone explain please?