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I for one would prefer to retain the person who made my company the most money

Well maybe thats exactly like you say, when you work on a building site, if someone thinks your a c**t, they tell you (even the boss), on the most part, you have a "chat" put it in the past and get on with it, job done, finished, over and forgotten about and i personally think the world is better for it, too much bitching and whining these days. I do work for a guy who used to run a national company, 100's, possible 1000's of staff, when asked if he missed it, hell no, i spent the last 10 years being a social worker for all the staff issues.

This thread is remarkable, in what realm of fantasy are the haters living!!! Rumours flying round and your like vultures on a corpse. Ohhhh but he hit someone at work, ohhhh he used abusive language, but wait, the biggest thing that would concern me as an employer and NO one mentions was: He was PI**ED at WORK!!!!! But in reality, he wasnt even at work, it was 11pm and wasnt being filmed.......and if he was "at work" i would imagine his employers would have far more concern that he was drunk on the job, but not one mention of that here OR by the BBC! I would love to see how you lot would get on in the world if your every action was scrutinised by your boss out of hours!

I dont think anyone seems to bothered about facts, the JC haters want him dismembered due to their dislike of him and are prepared to jump on any bit of anti JC press as usual, the people that enjoy TG just want to watch the show

So the story is: A man got drunk and a bit lairy! Well he must be hung, drawn and quartered, what a terrible state of affairs, absolutely shocking behaviour!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_p8AZzVmWI Similar to the above you mean ; ) Suspect you might be wrong John Prescott as a MP assaulted someone for egging him

Main reaction, didnt look they were going that fast, but, chinos and trainers on a bike, very silly!

Is like that JC making an apology for comments he has made but they are still not accepted If you think people that like him are 40 something thickos thats completely fine, you are entitled to your opinion, its a FREE world

How utterly hypocritical that you feel its completely acceptable for you to air your derogatory comments on the "forty something thickos" etc but not ok for him to air his views, which he hasnt by the way, just sailed close to the wind with comments that have self righteous people like you leaping to your moral high ground. Let me point out, i am not the least bit offended by being a 40 something thicko etc, in fact for the very reason above i think its quite laughable, i love freedom of speech and if thats what you think, fill your boots, but dont be so quick to have your say and condemn others for doing the same. Four words to rearrange: Cup, in, tea, storm You've admirably proved my point and missed 'the' point with your hysterical post. If you think that punching a work colleague amounts to a storm in a teacup I'm glad I don't work with you! Thank you for taking the time to read not two posts after where i clearly say, i do not condone violence!!!! Till we all know the exact story, best not jump on the media bandwagon like you and start preaching about violence, racial hatred etc etc If he hit someone, he should be fired, simple! There is nothing hysterical about my post either, its pretty simple, you think its ok for you to be slanderous and air an opinion (40 something thickos) but not him, the subject matter is irrelevant. It certainly isnt some inane rantings because of your hatred for JC like your post, your entitled to your opinion, him his, just because you dont like it because it "offends" you, who cares, far more important things to worry about in the world and if the minority stopped being so bl**dy self righteous the world would be a better place, each to their own Find a crusade which actually matters!

I will add a long with everyone: I do not condone violence (if this is actually case)

How utterly hypocritical that you feel its completely acceptable for you to air your derogatory comments on the "forty something thickos" etc but not ok for him to air his views, which he hasnt by the way, just sailed close to the wind with comments that have self righteous people like you leaping to your moral high ground. Let me point out, i am not the least bit offended by being a 40 something thicko etc, in fact for the very reason above i think its quite laughable, i love freedom of speech and if thats what you think, fill your boots, but dont be so quick to have your say and condemn others for doing the same. Four words to rearrange: Cup, in, tea, storm

Quote: The family was in utter shock he joined..... Guessing they had their heads well and truly buried in the sand.....

Make sure your neighbours are buttered up nicely and happy, doubt they will refuse if they dont complain

I am curious about this and maybe someone can put me right. Lets say you had been caught speeding by all the cameras within 10 mins of each other (just as an example). Surely if you are speeding, you are speeding, its not separate crimes, i,e you can get done for killing someone twice, or more realistically, if you robbed a shop, you wont get done for each item you rob, just you were stealing. I do remember in my biking days there was a case of a guy who got flashed by 3 cameras on a beach front promenade somewhere, he took it to court and that was his defence, i was speeding, its one offence, not multiple, sadly i cant remember the outcome

If there was ever a reason to fight the cause re circuit noise regs, Thruxton is it, drilled into the ground by nimbies and a great shame, as someone mentioned elsewhere a std 350z is apparently 92db. I am guessing they do well with their experience days but not even sure there is actually a lot of race meetings there now because of noise, touring cars and bsb of any note!

Thruxton Is such a great track, did a couple of bike track days there. Such a shame its so utterly restrictive on noise levels, 88db.

A google search will put you in the right place for centre consul removal with step by step guide including photos. Radio band expanders are fine and will do the job, pretty sure from memory you need a positive supply to them so you will need to do some simple wiring too.

I there is anyone who lives in Redland perhaps you could pm, I need to ask a favour. Thanks

Good points all of them, i think most people in this country are fed up of these extremists, probably even the law abiding and peaceful muslim community (its certainly doing them no favours), lets be fair though, Ukips recent surge isnt because of the ability to run a country and deeper policies, but, they seem to be the one party that is actively addressing the situation as a "serious problem" and would seem they are not afraid to get heavy handed. Rightly or wrongly as in this debate, we all want change and none of the recent governments imho seem to want to make this a priority, too pc about it all. I personally see no way of how you can segregate the lets say "extremists" from normal population, in all fairness, they are probably segregated by their own choice anyway. The impressionable idiots are different story. The sbs guy i work for describes exactly what you say, they trip over there thinking it will be some medal of honour thing, fire a few shots and come home, but the reality is, they have no concept of the horrors they see (at best) and come back straight into state provided counselling (this is factual), so is that job done, lesson learned? Probably yes, but how do you differentiate between the two initially and at what point do you realise a real target (like JJ) before its perhaps too late (Paris too)? The Police have long since enforced zero tolerance in other areas, i have no idea if this has worked to any degree but at the very least you can be sure, if you do the crime, be prepared for the time. I am not a criminal because i know prison is not for me, but if i was pretty sure i could say become a drug dealer and make upwards of £4k a week minimum without fear of being banged up, well thats a different story. Lets get tough first or now should i say and then if the threat diminishes, the laws can be relaxed, another few years of talking and finding a pc solution is only going to exaggerate the problem.

Just a small addition: Whilst your view and opinion is very diplomatic and humane, probably even correct, i think this is whats got into this mess in the first place. We are just too soft as a nation imho, if we stamped this out at the slightest hint this was what was going on, we wouldnt be where we are today. We have allowed these people to live amongst us, we have allowed their ranks to grow here in the UK, we have allowed them to groom and radicalise youngsters, we have allowed them to go abroad, fight and come back, we have allowed them to hate preach, hell, we have even paid them to live here. If there was no one hate preaching, sharia law and radicalising these children because we stamped it out, there wouldnt be any of these people we are discussing here. WE have allowed it to happen. Hence why i think its time to take a different approach and let them know, it will not be tolerated in any shape or form.

Whilst I do wholly agree with that last sentence, regarding the one way ticket part; is it not better to at least attempt to de-radicalise as many of these people as possible? In the same way that ISIS are recruiting the loons, is it not more beneficial to counter (where possible) that rather than to simply turn our backs to anyone who gets swayed? I appreciate that's not going to be possible for every single one of these people, but if it stops even a small percentage of them from becoming (or even continuing) terrorists and/or threats to anyone else, surely that is better than not trying at all? Perhaps we hopefully have the same outcome, just a different process. As individuals we all have the power of choice, if we have decided to follow a particular path, who and how can they persuade us not to follow that path. Look at these people that join cults (which i suppose isis etc are), if you are hell bent on joining no amount of words will stop you imho. Onto these people that want to join isis, maybe we could save a small % as you say through education, but that education would have to start at an early age (as per Wills news feed), so hopefully some of what the gov is trying to bring in will help. All our choices have consequences, some minor, some severe, every action gets a reaction. I personally believe the consequence of severe punishment, i.e never allowed to return will sway more people than attempted de radicalisation (and at what cost £?) Let them make that choice Personally i think they take the p*ss as i said elsewhere, they go and fight against western civilisation and then come back and live here, but again, we let them do it, who are the stupid ones! I also think the peaceful Muslim community which i am sure is a larger % needs to act too.

You have a point, but if they want to go they will find a way anyway, as per Jihadi John, so all thats being suggested is, if they do find a way to get there, its a one way ticket with no return and i would bet apart from the dedicated radicals a vast % would think twice. I do some work for a guy from the sbs, its great to hear a view from someone on the front line, not sat in a comfy chair behind a pc like us lot. I was utterly shocked when he talked about just how many british citizens (and others) go over to fight for isis, al qaeda etc etc People like Jihadi John are just the tip of the iceberg that we hear about, there is regular traffic to and fro. Make their actions have severe consequences, it is then a simple choice, you cant have your cake and eat it so to speak

Absolutely! You got to ask the question, how many would actually go if they knew without question they could never return? Sure the absolute mentalists will, but i bet that % would be low.

Slight difference between a man with known terrorist links and 3 teenagers without.... So more to the point, what has it got to do with Mi5 if 3 teenagers want to leave the country, whether they are known to be heading to Syria or not? Different story if they are trying to return after being involved.

As I found out with parcel2go if you read the small print none of their services are guaranteed (probably the same with Paisley), I.e if you book a 24hr, its not guaranteed, collection date is not guaranteed etc, so effectively you pay for a service that means absoultely nothing except the parcel may or may not be collected on the arranged date and when it does it will eventually get to its destination.