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Look for the maps of that voyage he didn't circumnavigate anything in those three years he visited a number of islands and other lands to restock etc (they couldn't carry three years of water on board) some of his trips in that three years took him very north such as south Africa and new Zealand. Sure if you ignore the 10+ landfills he made which were well documented ignore all the witnesses at the time ignore his own logs unless it suits the story) then yes what was he doing at sea for three years...or he wasn't...

In terms of orders, his orders (quite clearly outlined on many sites dedicated to this issue) were to discover the great southern continent, the fact he never got there meant mapping it was never done because you kind of have to get there first. Anyway, again conspiracy theorists lean on one piece of information, taken out of context, ignoring conflicting evidence, evidence even conflicting from their own source, and ignore everything else such as expeditions that have met in the south pole after starting on opposite sides, ignore everything and keep going with the convoluted theory of a 300 year old ship. That the stars in the sky are consistent with globe theory over flat theory, that they cant explain a lunar eclipse, that they can only explain gravity by inventing something with absolutely no practical evidence the list is endless that cannot be explained other than inventing something with no evidence. So, dear old Elon Musk and all the staff on Space X are also now a paid off members of the global conspiracy to tell us the world is round. The reach of this organisation is amazing

OK so flat earthers are just making assumptions without any knowledge or proper scientific tests. I think that sums up the majority of what I have seen so far. Easiest way to settle it is for the FE society to put their money where their mouth is and fly up there privately and photograph what they see.

So heres a chap that flew from the West Indies and didn't see land at all, so who is right, how can that be? https://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf-self-loading-freight/99724-flight-paths-uk-wi.html They also rightly call out ETOPS which states in law that certain types of aircraft have to be within an hour of an airport during any flight and that some do hug the coastline when crossing the atlantic for this reason. When looking up a flat earth map there are so many variations, you would think being 2D this should be a doddle to map but seems its very difficult. Anyway I picked one and given my experience of travel having lived in Japan where I flew between the UK and Japan (12 hour flight) and Japan and Australia (10 hour flight) can you explain (other than all the airline companies staff also being paid up members of the secret NASA cover up) why one arrow is less than half the length of the other? Having read a few Captain Cook websites now associated with his south pole exploration, at no point does it mention he was attempting to circumnavigate it. His direction it would seem was always southwards, he would retreat north a number of times to find a better way to navigate through the ice. There is no mention of an attempt to circle the south pole only to reach it?

Project high jump was about aliens, everyone knows that...

I managed to wrap the silver parts of my old zeds steering wheel (presume thats what you meant?) in situ. Just sat in the car with a hair dryer, some good vinyl and a credit card and it was relatively simple and took about 20-30 mins.

Oooooh liked that last episode, and the ending, great touch!

Again this is all confirmation bias looking at tiny pieces of information without objectivity. The lake experiment is a classic example of a badly performed experiment missing vital tests such as measuring a trend or straight line needs three points, but hey if it kind of works to support a theory forget about the basics and take it at face value right For a lunar eclipse, even with basic viewing equipment you can see its a shadow and not a planet, if the moon and sun are orbiting the middle of a flat earth above us, where does the shadow come from? What is it that's between the earth and the moon? I read up on the FE idea of gravity, apparently the flat earth is constantly accelerating which gives us a feeling of gravity. This is done by something called dark energy and the explanation is simple apparently: "Dark Energy This model proposes that the disk of our Earth is lifted by dark energy, an unknown form of energy which, according to globularist physicists, makes up about 70% of the universe. The origin of this energy is unknown." So without actually proving anything and just giving it a name its manages to overcome a key issue of how gravity works and push it aside. Even curvatures of the earth in high level aircraft flight they brush aside due to 'curved plastic windows' in planes. As said, just go up and take a photo and be done with it. Or just use a thermal imaging camera to look at something 50 miles away? There are lots of ways of doing this, much easier than scouring the internet for any obscure bit of footage (which is much easier to fake than paying off every single pilot, astronaut, scientist etc etc not to say anything and fake every single photo by the way!) - I also presume our beloved Elon Musk is in on it too and now a paid up member of government black ops not to say anything

I had a very quick look at that video (too late to put in the half hour!) and it seems to have a very obvious flaw at the start maybe I missed it but its late, but they only measured two points, to prove its flat you need to measure a laser from one end to the other and have it pass through a third point in the middle which is the same height as the points at either end - otherwise you have variables at either end where inches make the difference in feet which prove or disprove it? I am out of my depth in terms of science on this one and can only try read up on it, but I guess the simple solution is there, big telescope look at America from Ireland, it should be right there in front of you. End of debate. Why hasn't it been done? Amateur photographers have put digital SLRs into plastic boxes attached them to helium balloons and taken photos like this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7514429/Father-captures-pictures-of-earth-using-camera-fixed-to-weather-balloon.html Surely flatearthers can just save themselves the hassle, send a camera up, take photos of a flat earth with a polar edge and its done?

But the shape is not the issue, flat earth can only explain time differences and seasons if the sun and moon in effect orbit the flat earth opposite each other, so what is causing the eclipse, it cannot be the earth because its not between the moon and the sun, both orbit in the sky above the flat earth according to the websites? Ships sailing over the horizon do not go up and down, draw a line straight through the centre of a circle, then draw a line 90 degrees through the part where that line intersects the circle, at no point does the circle go up and then down again - the only way you would see this on a circular object is to be very high up and very far away, not stood on a harbour. And a strong lens does not bring it back in to view, if its isn't there to be seen, again no evidence presented of this. If this were true we could simply put a big telescope on the west coast of Ireland and look at the statue of liberty, we have telescopes that can see millions of miles so the technology is available, flat earthers could easily just prove their theory doing this - so why havent they? I would like to see the data from the laser experiment if you could link it. As you rightly point out assuming the laser and recipient point are at identical heights above sea level it shouldnt be possible, but if there is just a few feet difference, say 20 or so then its very much fits the round model. I guess like most sites I read today, flat earthers do nothing to counter argue the arguments against their points i.e. the Cook example is very easily explained. Additionally they have no evidence to dispel round earth theory. Like I say, rather than grasping at various misinformed amateur conspiracies on the internet, get a powerful telescope and look from one country to another to show it can be done then its beyond debate...why has this not been done yet? Ignore all the daft minor issues, just do this and its debate over right?

They look cool?

Whats the actual question you are raising there?

Ha, no wasn't saying you were I have heard a few bits and pieces about it over the last year after some celebrity endorsements but spent 10 mins or so reading some of the pro FE websites and it really is daft, it really is that someone can read something so superficial and just go for it.

Nope. Every image from space has been doctored to show false ones and all true images of a flat earth are hidden in secret vaults under the Pentagon.

How can total eclipses happen if the earth is not circular, and when they do they are circular in shadow and not eliptical? Why do I see ships sail away from me and sink into the sea if its flat? From what I remember from Physics GCSE was that very large things with mass generate gravity at their centre, if the earth were flat would we not all be pulled sideways to the middle not downwards? And of course any one travelling into space is under instruction never to say the world is flat, somehow this has managed to have been applied to anyone from James May in a U2 to every astronaut ever that has gone up there from any country?

There is so much evidence against flat earth I cannot really buy into any of it. Why are different stars only visible from different places on earth? Why could I not see the ocean from the top of Mount Fuji when I was up there it is only 100 miles or so? I presume all the photos from space are just called out as fake news? A little google also shows Antarctic teams starting from opposite sides and meeting at a point in the middle? What I see is a mass acceptance of very specific scenarios which might support the theory and a rejection with no evidence of anything conflicting it. Its called Confirmation Bias and is common amongst conspiracy theories. I guess everyone who jumps in the U2 spy plane for tourist trips to the upper atmosphere have to sign Pentagon level NDAs not to tell the world that what they see is a spinning disc

I couldnt help but look into this and it is mental what people are saying, dismissing so many questions against flat earth by trying to highlight selective extracts of diaries from Cooks travels - these lot should be politicians the dodging of the questions is on a grand scale. There is the fact that a Cook trip to the Antarctic took 3 years and 60,000 miles to do which lends nicely to flat earth theory i.e. its the edges of a flat earth he traveled, but it ignores that over those 3 years he returned to many countries and headed back to it actually only spending a few months at a time looking at the ice barriers. Half the time he was lording it up in the sun in southern oceans, visiting 10 other countries. Also it doesn't explain how he successfully navigated Earth using celestial navigation which relies on your distance to the horizon vs position of the stars, which apparently wouldn't change on a flat earth. Apparently the reason from flat earthers is that the stars are much much closer than we are told - of course no evidence presented to back this up but thats that challenge sorted apparently

A quick Google (I admit I don't know enough about Mr Cook and his attempts at finding Antarctica) shows he knew Antarctica was there, made a number of attempts to reach it but was forced back by floating ice (unsurprisingly) But after a number of unsuccessful attempts to navigate the ice had actually crossed the Antarctic circle and had traveled further south than any one had done before. What are you referring to that doesn't add up?

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Funny enough saw one parked up when I walked into town earlier, it looks overly long and flat it really does look quite, well, crap.

I tried reading a Clarkson book some time back and gave up it was dreadful. They tried to write it like he speaks on TV and it just doesn't work it was really tiresome.

Not sure I would take any notice of Clarkson in terms of properly reviewing a car!

You are entitled of course to call it - there is a lot of study by thousands of independent people on the same subject all coming to a similar conclusion, a quick google brings up this as the first result, have a read. https://www.space.com/21640-star-luminosity-and-magnitude.html Measuring the speed of light at home, using a microwave and a chocolate bar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpB1wezpJeE You can also do it using a light source, two mirrors one stationary and one rotating, to measure the speed of light as done by some French guy in the 19th century way before computers were around. I guess you are either in or out, but there are so many ways of measuring it from pinging websites along fibre optic cables to looking at Jupiter (how it was first done).

You are assuming only one point of reference. We can measure the brightness of the sun, relative to our position, we can then compare this to other stars moving outwards and generate multiple points of reference and extrapolate outwards. Size, brightness and anything in-between dictates distance and again is all provable (and has been and you can do it yourself if you doubt it with some simple experiments) your assumption that we are just measuring distance between two points is false from the offset. As with anything you need 'three sticks in the sand' to see trends and distance and mapping outwards lets you do this.