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Yes the mk5 is definitely much more aggressive looking, but if you look at the mk6 celica they both followed a very similar design style. Also cars back then in general didnt have an aggressive look. Just look at how 'happy' Zeds look even when they were styled years later, in basic form hardly aggressive either Cars generally didnt have an aggressive look in the early 90s swooping lines was all the rage, look at the 300zx, RX7, GTO, R33 etc. The NA version was decent enough but not a patch on say the M3 at the time, but thats why the TT was around, which was and still is a legendary engine, fully forged straight out the factory

Yes the RX7 is stunning and somehow just ages so well.

I would disagree, for a car built in the early 90s the Supra was nicely designed, looked fast, purposeful vs a lot of other boxy rubbish that was kicking around. Sure right now it certainly looks its age, and people throw bits onto it, but back then you cannot deny the posters from Athena looked good with it on.

Miltek is a great option for being able to start the car up discreetly and head out, then open the taps and it really roars WHEN coupled with sports cats or decats. You can cruise without it drumming your ears but then when you need it to sound great i.e. when giving it some beans it really comes on song. On its own though with OEM cats it is very quiet. I had mine on with cats (bought it used off a member) and drove it away it sounded the same, add those sports cats though...bear in mind the sports cats tend to rasp.

Yes a bit of a political farce, she was never going to lose that became very clear throughout yesterday. Some common sense finally prevailed i.e. a no deal and WTO is a terrible route to take for this country and puts many jobs at risk, that the EU are not renegotiating anything, that we need to focus on getting this backstop issue clarified and the deal put before parliament - keeping her in was the best way to do this.

Hence the message from Ellwood earlier in the day when JRM tweeted 'time for a new leader' - basically castigated him about his character and his disloyalty. JRM and DD have done nothing but discredit the process since it was clear their vision was totally unimplementable. TM had to come in and sort the catastrophic mess they created in July this year to get to a deal, we needed a deal, something, DD did nothing but alienate us from our biggest trading partner. Since then JRM and DD have been nothing but spiteful children who have had their rattles taken away...hopefully tonight can shut the pair of them up for a bit so the government can focus on getting the deal we need.

Ironically, TM is one of the only people you could argue is doing this for the country. She refuses another referendum, she is trying to get a deal, she is literally doing the worst job in politics right now and knows even if she survives tonight she wont be leader at the next general election. But yes, Corbyn has nothing but power in his mind and could not give two hoots about the country. He has no plan, no approach, cannot answer questions challenging his comments on brexit the guy is slime.

His agenda is simple, he wanted the vote to go ahead so it would lose and ultimately lead to a GE with a Tory party in disarray. It was his best shot at getting in to number 10, would have even taken it in a coalition. This has completely changed that plan, in fact if May wins it means she is challenge free for 12 months, she has time to go speak with the EU, It creates a mandate for the Tory party to line up more behind May for Brexit and gives the Tories time to replace May post brexit with a new leader who would have less baggage. None of his goals considers the welfare of the UK...ultimately he wants a customs union and close ties anyway and TM called that out in the PMQs.

There are a number of ironic things going on mate... ...to be fair though this is all constitutional and a PM that has been found in contempt of parliament is not a strong position to lead the party. What is fundamentally wrong is that the no confidence letters have been put in today. MPs tell TM that the backstop wont allow the deal to go through the vote, so she defers it to go and achieve what she can with the EU to clarify it. Suddenly that's wrong too, yes she should have done it earlier but, what else would she have done? If she wins handsomely tonight then that is a mandate to tell JRM etc. to shut the **** up and let the government govern. Their fairy land completely unachievable idea on brexit has done nothing but strengthen the EU and weaken our position. Corbyn, well less said really the guy is hopeless. He shouted out in PMQs that the house get a vote on the deal, which they will do once the bits he has personally complained about are clarified with the EU. He shouted about Labour going and doing a better deal with the EU despite Merkel this morning saying its not happening. Despite Tusk and Barnier saying the same. Macron said the same. There is no option to do another deal I am not sure why Corbyn cannot understand this simple fact. Oh, he does, but he doesnt care he just wants the keys to number 10 whatever happens after that he will worry about down the line.

I drove up the Thursday and stayed overnight - Monday I had things to do back home in Surrey so just jumped in the car around 5:30am and was home by 2pm.

Most have, a minority (the ERG and Corbyn) cannot because they do not have the interests of Leave at the heart of their argument. What would be funny is if TM got 52% of the vote tonight...

Govt spokesperson "This isnt about who leads us into the next election, its about whether it makes sense to change leaders during brexit negotiations" which for me would indicate that she will step down once brexit is done. Also seems like publicly anyway 158 voices of support have been recorded, if they turn in to action tonight she stays,

Yes it would be good to see it in a deep metallic red or similar. Also wonder if the black lip is an option, would look better colour coded if you ask me.

Yeah I know, in fact you wonder why anyone would want to step in? Given the divisions in the party there are people supporting her, if we have a hard brexiteer come in it will not unite the party, it will still retain divisions and in fighting. She has done a pretty good job in the PMQs, as usual Corbyn has fluffed his lines. How anyone could imagine Corbyn negotiating Brexit for us is beyond me, the guy is hapless and so easy to manipulate.

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PMQs at midday, I wonder if JC will actually say something impactful for once!

Over 100 public tweets/comments/posts on support for May. Again how people actually vote is another matter but if she gets through this vote, will the Tory party wholeheartedly support her?

Tell me about it All the series 7s are dying off, not built to last. Series 6 are clearly the cream of the crop and should be worth the same as a Nissan R34 in my totally unbiased opinion...

Seems like his box is being set up for him already - Ellwood is a decent chap as well.

Well we have had pretty much the whole cabinet publicly say they will support her, whether they do in the private vote or not is of course another matter. Raab is bookies favourite to replace her if she loses the vote - although his stance has always been that he wants a different deal, given the EU have already said its this or nothing we are treading a path to no deal there. I see JRM again ruling himself out for running for it, the chief protagonist voicing constant opposition to the governments Brexit course, a man who constantly says it can be done another way, who says we hold all the cards, BUT when it comes to stepping into a position where he has to actually do it, he bottles it. If there is a coward in the house, it is him. One potential outcome of May winning the vote tonight is that it would put him back in his box for a while.

I can imagine there is excitement and some feeling of 'she had it coming' but this does I think throw us even more into a hugely damaging no exit deal scenario. I don't think its a done deal though, I think there will be MPs there that know the best course of action is to get a deal and then dump TM after than to start messing around sorting out the government leadership and lurch into a no deal which then potentially cripples the country.

Looks like there will be a vote sooner rather than later...

When I opened this thread I expected it to open with the words 'Theresa May'

There has been requests in the house that Corbyn call for it too. To be honest TM has been a weak leader, but, she is only in this position due to the people she put in charge failing quite miserably to fulfill a proper exit deal for the country, thats you Mr David Davis, he shouldnt be allowed near parliament and the public should be castigating him. So she ended up having to do this in 6 months instead of 2 years whilst fending off leadership challenges on a daily basis. Instead of support she has had to put up with in-party bickering. So we are where we are. Would anyone have done it any better? Well David Davis tried and failed badly. Could Labour, well I dont think Corbyn would have done any better. TMs failures as I see it have been literally the weak decision making throughout her reign, be it from declining a TV debate that led GE failure to the poisonous reliance on the DUP all the way to her lack of reaction to clear and unequivocal feedback that the backstop will not be accepted.

As above, most supermarkets/grocers operate at a gross margin of 1%-4% (despite what the Daily Mail might say about them ripping off customers) if their costs go up 10% so do all their prices they simply cannot afford to absorb the cost - which is to my point around stockpiling Widdecombe made, how do you stockpile? It costs money, there is finite stock space, some products are perishable and have short expiry dates - her comment on this is absurd as it is stupid. The main challenges for WTO membership as I read it are: Lack of coverage of services - things like Air Travel is not covered, companies wishing to operate in a free trade area will have to relocate to Ireland or the EU mainland. Financial services are also not covered, this is a sector that effectively funds the UK, what do we do with that? No preferred country status - so what goes for us must go for everyone else. If we decide to trade check free with the EU on say food products? To keep trade flowing? Under no preferred country status that means we have to agree to the same with any country in the WTO so we are forced to accept products under the same rules from ANY country in the world which would no doubt result in quality issues and economic impact on local business Making deals with trade blocs - we have come away from dealing with the EU bloc bloodied and bruised. How do you think we will fair dealing with the US, or China, let along with Pacfici region trade blocs? Our future deals will be heavily regulated, yes it would be OUR deal but it doesn't mean they would be good ones How do we adjust to losing the EU trade free area - we are not going to pop to the US, have a chat, sign a deal. It is likely to take 5-10 years whereas our free trade with the EU stops much sooner, how do we navigate the imminent loss of EU trade in the mean time, which politicians have a sensible answer?