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Wheels will make a huge difference, dish does look good on these also.

Mate of mine is in a predictors league at his office, not only did he get the result correct i.e. which team would win or draw for each of the first ten games, he got the score correct for 8 out of the 10. I can only imagine what odds he might have gotten...

Austria and Hungary to win, then England get Austria in the next round...and when we get beaten 1-0 we can finally get shot of Roy

No great leaps of progress were ever made taking the safe option the bigger the risk often the bigger the reward. how would i know i like Vietnamese food if i hadn't taken a leap, the Manhattan project would never have got off the ground if people took the safe option, Columbus would never have found america, and Raleigh would never have brought us back the potato. nelson would never have beaten the french. people would still be walking if someone hadn't taken the risk of getting on a horse. trains would still be doing 15mph if someone hadn't taken the risk of going faster. to vote purely on the safe option because you're worried about the outcome is a shame, staying in europe is like buying tickets for the titanic after its hit the iceberg. Bigger the risk, the bigger potentially the reward but also the bigger chance of failure. I am not averse to risk, but with Columbus sailing off into the distance he potentially was going to find a whole new world and people. Which has been my argument from the start, the potential benefits have to outweigh the risk which of all the stuff I have seen and read just doesn't come close. ...and you would have just ordered something else if you didn't like Vietnamese food I am sure

If immigration continues at the rate it is we will never get number plates off the front of cars

If bikes can get away with it why not cars, equality!

Would it surprise you to learn that immigration as an index against a countries population 'per head' is higher in Norway and Switzerland? Even though they are outside the EU. It feels like a strong emotive issue, but economically the numbers just do not stack up. Unemployment is at its lowest rate since pre-crash so that assumption that immigration is causing employment issues doesn't work for me. What is concern for me around employment is periods of recession and uncertainty, thats what really causes job issues. When we see reductions in foreign investment or companies trimming the wage bill to survive through economic recessions. If we left the EU and say knocked 100,000 off the net immigration count (so a reduction of 30%) that could easily be offset and then consumed if we enter into a number of years recession again whilst we try and sort out our trading future with Europe.

I started off as very open minded, I didn't vehemently start one way or the other, we are as a country 'In' at the moment and personally I am doing fine, happy in my job, family etc. Its up to the Leave campaign to convince me that its in my interests to vote Leave. I want them to position it in a way that I can see clear benefits that offset the clear issues of doing so. I haven't been convinced enough that its worth it, there is still time though, although remains to be seen what the tactics will be over the last couple of days.

Vote stay for best of the best Also do you think you're getting the best out of your health service? I don't think so. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Leave campaign has already stated that this huge sum of money we will save when we leave will go towards the NHS, increasing annual spend by nearly 4%. Question back, do you believe this will make a significant difference to the health care you receive? I believe the quality of the care with increase, the waiting times reduced, and the pure fact we won't have doctors or nurses striking is probably the biggest factor! If you look at the reports on Stafford hospital where there has been numours deaths I believe the funding will stop this. A hospital is where you go to get better! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Any sensible business person will tell you that a cash increase of 4% will not suddenly create huge changes in your business. 4% will not be sufficient to open dozens of hospitals and staff and spec them out, sorry, but thats just not going to happen. 4% is better than 0% mate. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk No denying that of course. Whether the rest of the economy remains in status quo though is debatable. It could improve as some Leave people claim, but it could also worsen which would wipe out that 4% very quickly. This is the risk assessment I am weighing up really - I am still sitting in the In camp, but could well be swayed last minute if I see something positive from the Leave camp. I was waiting for their plan to appear on their site and was disappointed, was hoping it would be something I could take on board and consider.

Yeah but the cars would look so much better...much more important

Yeah unlikely to happen but have signed!

Don't, just..don't. What little credibility you had is flushed with that statement. The EU was established in 1985 and 1986 on the signing of Schengen and the SEA. What came before it was acceptable. What came after it, was most definitely not. Nobody in the this country consented to those two land mark agreements. The EU. Little credibility? So all the issues I bring to the debate, which to be quite frank many people were unaware of prior to this are not credible, your rantings, with little factual basis apart from your own formed opinion make you the most credible voice in the room? Listen mate, I am not going to rise to ranting, happy to discuss numbers and economic approaches but not paranoia around immigration.

Vote stay for best of the best Also do you think you're getting the best out of your health service? I don't think so. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Leave campaign has already stated that this huge sum of money we will save when we leave will go towards the NHS, increasing annual spend by nearly 4%. Question back, do you believe this will make a significant difference to the health care you receive? I believe the quality of the care with increase, the waiting times reduced, and the pure fact we won't have doctors or nurses striking is probably the biggest factor! If you look at the reports on Stafford hospital where there has been numours deaths I believe the funding will stop this. A hospital is where you go to get better! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Any sensible business person will tell you that a cash increase of 4% will not suddenly create huge changes in your business. 4% will not be sufficient to open dozens of hospitals and staff and spec them out, sorry, but thats just not going to happen.

I work indirectly for Sainsbury's and am over at their head office in Holborn Circus regularly, I can tell you most of that post is not true at all and something that you might find in the Daily Mail (sorry). So when you have control back, are you going to change the 10% of UK legislation that is dictated to us by the EU. (rhetorical question of course). What else are you going to do with this control, excluding immigration caps?

Vote stay for best of the best Also do you think you're getting the best out of your health service? I don't think so. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Leave campaign has already stated that this huge sum of money we will save when we leave will go towards the NHS, increasing annual spend by nearly 4%. Question back, do you believe this will make a significant difference to the health care you receive?

We joined the EU nearly sixty years ago, so rhetorically no of course not (although at the time it was seen by the majority as a good thing as the UK was not performing well), but then again did you vote for us having two main competing political parties, did you vote for VAT to increase to 20%, did you vote for Wembley twin towers to be knocked down? You can't vote on everything, you vote in a party that you believe will best represent your views and needs. What punishments are you referring to as to remaining in the EU?

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Great!

Worth every penny mate, actually did it for my 40th. Takes around 3-4 hours in total, I wont give the game away but you get to use laser guns, air soft guns etc as well as night googles and other military equipment. The actors are brilliant, even from the minute you walk into reception to sign in they treat you like raw recruits. It was half way through I had to take a second to adjust my head space as I had genuinely gotten into role and it felt like the end of the world as we know it!

I wont argue with you Jug because clearly any argument will never make you look at it from any other perspective. For you this is massive, for others it isn't for all the many reasons outlined in detail previously.

Even if immigration doubled next year (which it wont), you are looking at it going from 0.5% to 1% of total population - I find it quite bizarre that this is seen as such a huge issue, that we are willing to risk economic impacts which if they happen will take money from your pockets for the sake of a relatively small group of people coming into the country each year, many of which are well qualified and paying into the system.

The issue is not immigration, its what you give away. Yes it could increase, but its up to us to work within the EU to ensure that we aren't seen as the soft touch of Europe (and to be honest thats not a Cameron thing, thats a failing of successive governments) which is what Cameron was debating with Europe a few months back and got the 'promise' of being able to cap and control payouts to new arrivals. Yes you could argue 'EU will reneg on it' but to be honest thats as speculative as most debate on here - the fact at this time is that promise is on the table.

Depends if the cost is a 2-5% drop in GDP, increased unemployment, benefits requirement etc etc as a fall out of exiting. In addition, if we exit, the existing 4-7% would still receive benefits unless they were subject to legislation that booted them out the country. Its also not cut and dry, many of those 4-7% are immigrants married to UK born people, so do you cut the support that is indirectly supporting UK people? Some of the 4-7% will also be people that would qualify under new rules to only let in people on points but just happen to be between work, do you cut that? This is my issue I have had since day 1, have the benefits of exiting been clearly outlined that they are worth the financial risk. The above really is a tiny pin prick in the countries finances that its simply not worth the risk. The same with the argument we would be able to spend all that EU money on so many things, in the end its a small reduction in energy costs and a 4% increase in NHS budget - again wont touch the sides. It's not in my mind worth the risk.

4-7% of 159 billion is quite a lot buddy, whilst it may sound small as a %, actually ££££ it is not. And if they cant be more precise as nearly 100% leeway i.e 4 - 7, who knows what it would actually be. Yes it is a lot in terms of numbers, in the grand scheme of things immigrants are hardly bleeding the country dry. 95% of benefits spend goes to UK born citizens. Like I said before, if your car had its exhaust blowing, cat failed, leaking oil, blowing blue smoke and the passenger window didn't work, what would you be most concerned with - all the engine and exhaust issues or the broken window motor? Thats the 'scale' of the apparent problem and the cost of it in relative terms. Its the same with the quoted EU cost figure, the Leave campaign always quote it as a stand alone figure as most people believe its so much money. When in fact its less than 2% of country earnings per year. £9bn sounds a lot, but when you are earning £500bn+ is it really as huge a problem as everyone makes out?

Exactly, the 'scrounging' is an issue that needs resolving. Some previous stats put un-employment benefits estimate at around 4%-7% being spent on immigrants. So the issue is clearly the born and bred people who claim the majority. Obviously that will happen as the number of born and bred people in the UK far outweigh the number of immigrants in the UK. The benefits system here has been too kind for too long and lots of UK born people still take advantage.