coldel

Oh I accept it, most of my family were in the Leave camp. This was an economic vote but some people saw it as something else, and tried in no way to understand what they were voting for. That really is unfortunate. And I would disagree, life is about making your way in the best way possible, I understand that people took a stand against the EU, but when asked to articulate it are generally left wanting, by some margin.

Just back from some beers, with a guy who voted out and a guy who wanted to stay. It was interesting... The other guy who voted stay accused him of economic vandalism. And then challenged him to state what positive he expected out of the decision which he answered 'fed up of federalism' which when asked to explain he couldn't. Sad thing is that we are meant to be known as a liberal, open minded and progressive culture and this feels like a step back for me. There is no economic benefit to be had ( a Norway agreement puts us back where we are now except we cannot influence the decision enforced upon us) and now Europe thinks we are a bunch of closed minded racists (which of course we are not but that perception is now out there). Bit weird that so many friends and family are so divided on this issue. Not comfortable with it at all.

Ha, what say do we have really?

Obviously tiny proportion, but bloody hell how can you be so stupid as to do a tv interview and say that.

How many younger people bothered to vote? Usually they are the ones that do not turn out...

Have you got the boot strut brace as well? Makes a lot of difference to handling.

the accusation is granted Note in the video Farage mentions £10bn to spend, pretty sure if you divide £10bn by 52 you don't arrive at £350m per week still enough people fell for it so it did its job. Surprised the interviewers were not savvy enough to pick him up on it either.

Its actually not a million miles away from the populous definitions of millennials, baby boomers, generation x - but as you rightly say it should have run from 18-34 then 35 to 50 to make sense. Looking at the data I suspect it would tell a similar story if you shuffled it around that way. There seemed to be a very clear demographic and age breakdown of who voted where and probably a clear social class profile as well.

I have resisted posting up other peoples opinion till this stage but this is worth a read if you want a very quick top line (and fairly objective) view of what might transpire. I guess the very last paragraph is where we will end up, but our situation is that we left and probably alienated ourselves from influential people in the EU unlike Norway, so we could find some tough 'surprise turns' which is the point in the last line. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/06/5-questions-for-britain-and-europe-after-the-brexit-vote

I thought that The Norway model included free movement? In any case any products that we sell to The EU will have to comply to EU regulations/standards. The Swiss model is very similar. So will The EU make us a special case or will be able to negotiate a Norway style relationship without free movement? A lot of experts say it could go 2 ways either they need our business so badly that they'll offer us a good deal or they'll punish us to dissuade other countries from leaving. The other issue is what happens before we actually leave The EU, will there be an overwhelming rush of migrants getting in before our doors are locked? Or will they think that The U.K is no longer an attractive place to come to? Pete Actually given that half of immigration is non EU this vote really doesn't cover it off fully, we could have closed the doors on half of immigration any time we wanted. I said previously if people are voting on one principle of immigration to exit the EU personally I think that is pretty naive. What is pretty much not realised by many who supported Leave is that many of the EU directives are there to create a level playing field to protect the UK from being underpriced by cheap labour produced insufficient quality goods by other countries in the EU who traditionally could have taken advantage. We will always as a country produce quality goods (ok speculation there but probably a reasonable one) and continue to abide by these rules independently, we will also most likely have this written into any trade agreement like the Norway model. Freedom of movement is still a requirement (which is one of the four principles of the EEA which Norway are part of) yes. So if we sign a Norway deal, where we are obliged formally to comply with EU regulation and the principle of freedom of movement as part of the EEA, have we 'taken back control' ?

As for FB feeds I think you guys seriously need to revise your friends list and who you surround yourself with, I am not seeing anything of the sort on my FB page - so therefore it cannot be FACT (come on guys surely you cannot come to a factual conclusion of 17m odd people based on a feed on your own social media page, seriously!)

If you can get a genuine GTR rear wing they are actually adjustable

Think you will find its a minority of remainers that think those voting leave are racist, but many moreso of leavers who assume that the remainers think that way. That actually winds me up more, almost to the point you have to ignore leavers who just leap to this conclusion because you dare assume that some people voted leave on that single issue (which will have).

But going back to the main issue which people claimed to vote leave, was control - if we got the norway model where many of our industries have to comply to EU regulation, how would that make you feel?

Indeed, lets see how it pans out. Most economic forecasters on both sides agreed a recession would come...

We can be sat in a recession in that time, that would change things...the longer we have no solid future in place, the less likely we are to be seen as a safe place for foreign investment - in my simple way of looking at it.

Change those yellow side repeaters!

Certainly we are going to see an economic slowdown, its inevitable. What worries me the most is that Boris is saying 'no need to rush' which translates to me as 'oh bugger we won and havent got a bloody clue how we are going to actually do this'

There is no announcement on the JPM site apart from a hint that they will move their legal teams etc. I would imagine client facing teams remain. Ultimately I would be surprised if any company made a move now, I would expect them over the coming year or so to see how its panning out and make a call. If we move to the Norway model as Leave indicated we would have to operate under many EU directives anyway to trade (take control anyone?), but sit in the EEA which might be ok.

Dont mate, not going through all that rubbish again!

I think we all know Trump was not referring to the UK and got his countries mixed up when mentioning Scotland, and 'they'

Yes saw that, Sue Perkins with the absolute put downer 'weapons-grade plum' superb.

I would say he was more likely to be the right person in the right place at the right time. The anti-European sentiment was coming Farage or no Farage (appreciate this is debatable). I think you do him a disservice there buddy, more than that ferret sturgeon and salmond managed to do with regards there independence. Its really about how 'influential' you think he is - no doubt he has done the job, but in terms of influence I would say Salmond was a better influencer and argued his points much more thoroughly than Farage.

Also as expected no-confidence motion being pushed, could well see the end of Corbyn http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36621777

I would say he was more likely to be the right person in the right place at the right time. The anti-European sentiment was coming Farage or no Farage (appreciate this is debatable).