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I think there is no doubt some Leave votes came about based on racist views, I don't think any of us should deny that. It is going to be a small percentage but it will certainly have happened. No we shouldn't re-run it, but I cannot believe there were no hard and fast rules announced beforehand, a result of 51.8 vs 48.2 is so marginal you could imagine if we ran this again tomorrow remain could quite possibly win. The government should have said it has to be at least X percent clear with at least X percent turning out. So as Bockaark has said it is now all of our responsibility to not only get on with this but hold all the Leave campaigners responsible to follow through on their commitments they made. That includes spending on the NHS, removal of VAT on energy etc.

Classic Robot Wars scene from Spaced

The markets in most major countries pumped money into the system - they had a plan based on previous crashes and enacted it Friday morning. If they had allowed things to just 'go with it' no doubt the pound would have disappeared from existence, it was artificially kept afloat. To the point above about long term, a couple of things. Firstly that many leavers seem to believe that 2 years is the defined length of pain, so you can see they havent read in to this at all - 2 years is the length of time we have been told to sort out the exit, its not a defined length of time for a recession. Secondly longer term could mean companies exiting the UK if we enter the WTO model or that we do not negotiate a great deal with the EU - so long term yes we could see less foreign investment. Is that a given? Of course not, but its a real and huge risk. Many leavers talk about a prosperous long term as a certainty, there is the real possibility that we end up just as constrained by European law as we a week ago - but with our economy instead of recovering in fact being sat on its backside.

Yes we spent a fair amount on Honeymoons! Antalya and Rome - brilliant.

Hazard looks like the best player on the planet at the moment!

I agree, its not b0110cks its real and you could easily argue that its enough that it isn't a tiny minority that have no impact on the overall result. I am actually now spending the evening watching the updates on the Labour party (whilst watching Belgium Hungary cracking game!) - I suspected Corbyn had to go. Ridiculous that the UK turned its back on 'Ed the Red' and Labour put in an even more left person like Corbyn. Then seeing him literally do nothing to support the EU in (which Labour want) vote. I would actually vote Labour at the next election if Hilary Benn was in...

For our wedding I proposed at a Chateau in the Loire Valley (we were living in Paris at the time) - we got married when we got back to the UK so we organised three events: 1. Had a registry office event which 20 friends and family attended followed by some food in a restaurant (floating restaurant on the Thames) we funded 2. Took immediate family (ten of us) to the Chateau in France I proposed in for a blessing and lots of wine 3. Hired a big pub in Putney Heath and invited everyone we knew So we had three events over the space of one month. Total cost around the £8k mark all in. We got a pro photographer when in France (cost 350 Euros for about 200 photos!) but otherwise relied on other people. Our friend did the cake on the Putney party. My parents paid for coaches to ferry people over to SW London (most of my family are in Essex).

I went to an indian wedding a couple of years back, was bloody AWESOME! Must have been 600 people there, we had a great curry too!

And this is why I could not bring myself to vote Leave https://youtu.be/HNe-yHr7uJc The leave campaigners are responsible for the economic vandalism of this country for the next few years with no willingness to engage with the consequences of what they promoted.

This was an economic vote, not an immigration vote (as mentioned previously immigration will still happen in any trade model we adopt like Norway) - but I bet those same people you mention MrLee would be disgusted if you called them racist. Lets not kid ourselves, there are some very nasty and undesirable people that voted out, but also some who genuinely thought they were doing the right thing. When I got my cars geo done at the weekend I was in the waiting room watching TV with one of the staff there, Brexit was on the news, he said he voted Leave because 'I am fine with taking 1 or 2 years of tough living so that my daughter when she leaves uni in 2 years can get a job without worrying about all those immigrants' - this is the ridiculous feeling that we have going on en-masse here in the UK.

Its a good question Banz - when Farage thought they had narrowly lost on Thursday night he said they had lost the battle but the war would go on. What did he mean by that? How could he win his ultimate goal of leaving the EU if that referendum was the one and only opportunity to do that? I presume he believed that UKIP could actually win an general election? If it had been the other way around, we would have stayed in and I would imagine we would have Leave campaigners whinging and asking for another vote just like they are accusing remainers now. But I imagine we could have taken a load of collateral to the EU and really hammered home that some reform is required. As it is, they look to be reforming anyway, just without us having a say in it now, so we have any reform and regulation passed to us in future without our influence at the table.

All the talk from businesses removing jobs from the UK was to be expected (from those who cared to try and understand what exit meant anyway) which is exactly why the Boris idea of 'lets take our time' is so ridiculous and shows how cut off from the implications of this decision this buffoon is. The longer we sit in this space of uncertainty the more risky it is to our industries, we have to get this sorted as soon as possible. I really do despair at how poorly prepared and how utterly uninspiring the politicians in the leave camp are now, amateurish at best and moronic at worst.

Oh I agree wholeheartedly mate. If they believed as politicians all these benefits were going to come with exiting then even though I didnt vote for it I fully expect to see them. £350m a week was a lie, it needs to be called out so people in future are not so gullible They promised an increase in spending on the NHS this year by 4% They promised to remove 5% VAT on fuel bills this year Begin the process of renegotiating trade rules to the Norway model as they promised

Yes lets get on with it, although I do genuinely believe they do not know what to do next. Interesting you refer to it as a majority? Imagine lining up 30 people in a row, put a gap halfway then get one person to step across that gap. The swing was tiny in % terms, it was a marginal win really.

To be honest I hope Article 50 gets invoked next week I cant put up with more smoke and mirrors from politicians talking rubbish. Lets get on with it, move to some sort of hybrid Norway model, get back to complying with EU regulation, and allowing movement of people and keep the economic uncertainty to an absolute minimum.

The last vote was based on Scotland wanting to stay in the UK given we were in the EU. Scotland had a 62% preference to stay in the EU. I would hazard a guess that the combination of both would lead to a vote Out of the UK if they went again. By all means, it won't be easy on them either, but if the voice of the people speak just as they did Thursday...

Probably because of the above, as Scotland will need to disentangle from the UK and depending on when it takes place, either remain in the EU or have to re-insert itself which are two different scenarios. At least she is putting in the leg work to find out how all of it will actually work to be fair is a sensible approach. As much as I wanted Cameron to do well for the UK, he has literally overseen years of austerity (ok not his fault), destabilisation of the UK economy for who knows how long and a break from the EU, along with potentially conflict in Ireland, and Scotland leaving the UK. Not the sort of legacy I would imagine he had in mind...

Geometry done today over at Wheels in Motion, great set up and bunch of guys there - anyway turns out the toe in was quite bad on the front, so would have eaten through my front tyres pretty quickly. Anyway all sorted now and in great shape.

Problem with Scotland is that they have an official mandate as part of the previous referendum that any significant constitutional change in UK law (such as leaving the EU) means she has every legal right to put this into play and request another through parliament. It's not cut and dry though that Indy would win, so her challenge is when does she run it (and I would say its 95% there that it will) does she take a chance and build up support for Independence and do it last minute or does she call it earlier and then give herself more time on the other side to sort Scotland out sooner rather than later separating it from the UK.

But more than 50% is not EU based immigration, we could stop that tomorrow if we wanted to, so ask your leaders why not? A lot of immigration has been driven by the middle eastern uprising which happened years ago (which we encouraged) i.e. syria. There is a big proposal on the table in the EU this year in how to control that, but we will now not have a voice at the table on this. The EU will reform, it would anyway regardless of our result. France is going right wing, they are not stupid. Unfortunately now we are at their whim if we adopt a Norwegian model and instead have to canvas most likely Ireland to take our concerns to a body which influences our trading rules. For me, the loss is the loss of voice, we actually have less control in the world economy than before.

But the definition of a free market, is competition. I think if Cameron had delivered, in laymans terms, the benefits of the EU and the potential repercussions of exiting we wouldn't be where we are now. In a economic flux, it wont be armageddon, you have to ignore Osbornes tax claims etc, but it wont be easy. If they had focused on explaining stuff in easy to grasp terms there might have been a moment of 'ummmm' rather than a hate/want divide. The ironic thing is that the people that are likely to be most affected by this in a negative way are those that voted leave, and those that voted stay in London are the ones that are going to have restructure entire corporations to ensure the economic fallout is impacting us in as little a way as possible.

This guy nails most of it. I don't agree with everything he says, but most of it I do. If you're not too Brexit fatigued, it's well worth 10 minutes http://www.theguardi...ity-westminster I actually skim read it in 1 minute, and its about bang on. No denying that Thatcher started the class divide that has never been addressed. That said, the opportunities have always been there for those that have the application, as a country we often hold up as a testament to how great we are when the little guy becomes a great guy, but thats there for all of use to achieve, if a polish guy comes in as a builder and undercuts you, you have to respond, its a global economy and you have to think a bit harder about business rather than just expect government policy to provide artificial protectionist measures.

I sat and watching on facebook as a woman who was born and bred here who has claimed benefits all her life, with three kids, and a council house all funded by the state, with a husband who was unemployed, who spent Friday fishing, put a union jack on her profile picture saying 'proud to be british' and well done on voting out. Thing is, benefits numbers show there are ten of those sorts of people born here for every one of those immigrants. Its pointless trying to put those individual cases forwards as an example. Actually most immigrants are of a younger working age and their tax payments are funding our ageing population doing jobs British people have no interest in.

Aye its a fair comment. Whilst we remain in a flux, who is going to take the risk? I was sat with the MD of an energy firm tonight who already said multiple billion pound deals are now on hold. Whilst we sit here trying to muddle our way through this we lose ground on recovering the economy, we were on the way back every economic indicator showed that, now we have to wait 2 years for trade deals to be sorted, it could end up being much longer, in which time investment will be tentative, growth must slow, jobs and salaries must be impacted and all of that is not good news. If anyone can show me a clear example of where a countries economy was in flux and they did alright out of it I am happy to take that on board. So the question goes out again, if we adopt the Norway model, which means adhering to EU regulation and being part of the EEA where freedom of movement is a given, what have we voted for?

So why vote out? What was so offensive about the EU that half the country decided to go? I still don't hear a coherent answer. If its not immigration, not that the EU was holding back the UK economy, what was it? Why has no one even questioned that the 100 day plan the Leave campaign put out on their website a week before the vote been completely disregarded by Boris Johnson when he said lets do nothing now. Apparently we were meant to in the first 100 days have enacted the Article 50, raised spending on the NHS by £100m a week and reduced fuel bills, within 24 hours all that is now not happening - yet we all sit here doing nothing - all the propositions were a joke. I was actually up for voting out, and wanted a reason to, the actions of political people in such a short space of time have confirmed that there were more personal agendas on the committee than thoughts on the benefits of the country which is why I decided not to. Personally I feel completely disengaged from the whole thing - as you might be able to tell I felt passionately about this being a well thought through process but it seems like so many people decided regardless.