coldel

There will be nutters, but it is genuinely happening - 57% increase in race related crime in a week is not a normal peak and trough behaviour. The girl who works at my place is not a nutter and I have no reason not to believe her. It is a minority, but it is on the increase, it should calm down though - I can only imagine how bad its going to be if its announced officially that immigration will still happen in a few years time when rubber stamping the deals

I guess though the result gave closet 'ism's permission to be more vocal about it as if they have been proven 'correct'.

Well, for starters cars! Then there are the plethora of electronic gadgets that seem to fill our homes and lives that are mostly made in japan. Panasonic, JVC, Sony, Canon, Toshiba, Hitachi, Sharp, Casio and not forgetting all those companies that make after market modification parts for cars that we own and so on and so forth, It's worth Billions is not? I think the question is, how much of OUR "stuff" do THEY want? We don't import all our cars from Japan, we build them here and in the EU, Toyota, Nissan both have factories here - the Quasqui is one of the UKs biggest exports. We actually export more cars than we import, mostly to the EU as it happens. But yes it was a slightly flippant comment I made, but the point was the importance of this in the world for us. So yes you are right, it is worth billions. However, and as with lots of numbers thrown around on this thread, numbers mean nothing without context. £150m a week thrown at the NHS makes people swoon with visions of hospital waiting lists halving, until you realise over a year it amounts to a 4% increase in funding which will not scratch the surface and will in all likelihood result in no noticeable change to me and you day to day. Japans total imports value is around £7bn I think from memory (feel free to correct me) but given that is something like 2% of our total imports, does it really make you think its fundamentally important that we have the capability to affect that 2%

Rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. But not by much One tough mutha!! Revitalised after realising how much people 'liked' him

Thats 0.00005%

Yes he did say that, I don't mind a non-football person being on the board if he is running the business side, but with Dyke there as well also not a football person it does make you wonder who there is actually an expert. I thought Roy was shocking yesterday and summed up the arrogance and bloody mindedness that was clear in his team selection. Saying stuff like 'I dont know why I am here' 'I said all that was needed to be said yesterday' is appalling behaviour and attitude from someone who has earnt £14m in a 4 year long job and delivered nothing in terms of development of the team - all the while fans who earn a fraction of what he did getting no answers and no post humiliation explanation. Everyone wants to know why a sane person would choose a player with no game time and no fitness and no demonstration of form for over a year over a player who won the league with his team whilst being in superb form for 10 months of the season before Why Sterling who was woefully out of form before the tournament was our only winger when his formation was going to be 4-3-3 which desperately shouts out needing wide players. Why managers of England constantly choose big clubs players and big transfers over better players at the likes of Leicester - are they not fashionable enough? Why when we used all our possession to just lump the ball up field 90% of the time we didn't take Andy Carroll. So many questions around blatant mismanagement which were so obvious to millions of fans in England, yet oblivious to the person that mattered most. How could he have been so blinkered?

I don't think Brits have a losing mentality, you only have to look at our Rugby side brushing aside the Aussies or our Cycling team trashing all before them. But you are right, something is consistently wrong here, very good players failing to gel and work to a system. Looking at Italy that day, every player knew their job and did it perfectly. Rooney isn't a world class midfielder, Sturridge is not a right winger, Wilshire is not a defensive midfielder. It all seems so obvious it beggars belief that someone who is meant to be an expert cannot see that - so what is going on?

So next manager? Looks like Southgate is coming in as cover for the short term? Are they waiting for Wengers contract to run down? Blanc or Pelligrini? Hoddle is a reasonable punt, talks a lot of sense when punditing. Hands off Bilic though!

Ha I saw that meme yesterday it did make me laugh

ScotLond!

Pretty sure that all goes on now though? The hosting nation will always end up playing in the capital or best stadium?

Whether this is true or not (and most do turn out to be made up), I wouldn't be surprised if Brexit actually causes this sort of feeling. We were one of a handful of countries holding this sort of thing back, and we wouldn't have remained in if they had gone down this route - although the government supported remain any government in power knows the UK public would not go down a real draconian route of complete integration which is why Cameron look to seek assurances we could opt out of such a thing. We didn't need a vote to activate article 50, we could do that at any time. So even if the EU went power mad, we could have walked away at any point even if we voted Remain last week. Starting to hear a few disturbing stories even here in London where we are meant to be more cosmopolitan, about 'British' people abusing anyone who has a non British accent, girl in the office has just walked in and sat down in tears after some xenophobic abuse on the bus. And what a brave bunch us British are so those who stood by and let someone do it to her. I wonder how much of this is going on that's unreported.

I agree get shot of that photo please, its offensive. And back on topic, this is about an historic economic and political event which will shape generations - this is by far more important than any general election vote. Be a shame to lose 80+ pages of debate...

Off the top of my head, it's not specific to legislation but, Fishing quotas, all but killed many towns in the UK just because the Spanish and Dutch were running out of their own fish. Dress it up as sustainability and nobody argues. Farming subsidies and quotas, two fold pushes up food prices and kills farming income. Even to this day there are tons of vegetables ploughed back into UK fields because they are not allowed to sell any more into supermarkets. Climate change legislation (which they knew from the outset were set at unachievable levels) has massively inreased fuel bills in the UK. It's blamed on the energy companies, but the levies and taxes add alost 30% to bills in some cases. The EU civil servants awarding themselves massive perks and breaks over and above that of any EU citizen. Examples: In the UK we are having to review the pensions of teachers and nurses etc. EU civil servants meanwhile get up to 70% on a final salary scheme, regardless of the fact they are unsustainable. They don't publish accounts. Even a small business in the UK has to lodge accounts with companies house, never mind councils and local authorities. The EU meanwhile disclose nothing about their expenditure and staff pay. Even though they are publicly funded. In the UK we have stripped child benefit of £1040 per year for people earning over £50k. In the EU however you get a £7k per year allowance per child. In the UK we tax at a basic rate of 20%. Tax rates for EU civil servants start at 8%. They do not publish earnings and bands. It is only thanks to leaked documents that we know 10,000 people employed in the EU offices take home more than our prime minister thanks to these tax breaks. The list of reasons goes on. And you'll note not a single one revolved around immigration. I expect anyone who has a say in legislation in our country to be both accountable and have transparent public accounts. And that is a completely fair response, how many other people can put the same level of thought forwards?

Now, I know I have been vocal on this thread as I am deeply passionate about economics - that doesn't make me an expert in any way shape or form, just someone who probably spent more time reading up on the realistic benefits vs the realistic risks and should I vote leave. I didn't vote leave because it was obvious we couldn't restrict immigration, £350m was an out and out lie and free trade with no payment is unrealistic otherwise everyone would be doing it. Why didn't the government call out these obvious facts prior to the vote?

No one said the EU was great, and its not about coming or going to England, this has been mentioned time and again by Remain supporters. This was an economic vote that people pushed into a political and in some cases a racial vote. For me its about incurring economic chaos to achieve almost nothing by the end of it - I put two questions to people on here time and again and no one engaged with them: 1. What 5 or 6 EU based regulations have so vexed you and impacted you personally that you feel so angry towards the EU? Dont use google. 2. If we adopt the Norway model where we abide by EU regulations and adopt free movement of labour as part of the EEA would you feel like you have 'taken back control'?

I don't think there is any god given right to a trophy, but as a nation with a huge football grassroots base, more leagues than most countries, more pro footballers and more support through the learning process for children to partake in football it is nothing but utter mismanagement that has caused such poor results in tournaments. The mentality just doesn't seem to be there, we are beat before we touch a blade of grass when the results really count. Martin Glenn kept referring to an academy built a few years back as producing youth which hasn't hit the main team yet - but that's a ridiculous statement, we have been successful in youth football for donkeys years so what are they doing wrong with these younger players all this time? Our management are obsessed with playing big names and big transfers and not picking on form and fitness. Most of our managers since Hoddle have no tactical nous. We should definitely have made more semi finals than we have, especially in the Euros, to say we are not good enough for the last 8 or a Euro tournament every four years is a shambles.

Corbyn loses confidence vote by over 80% and has just announced he will not resign...

He has turned to Facebook

Hodgson says that 'one bad game' has ruined 4 years of great England football ...and there in lies the problem, blind stupidity.

Next manager could be any nationality

The players didnt play well yesterday because that sometimes happens in football. Endless comments about how it was a freak result - just not accepting that we had no leaders, no shape and no plan.

Martin Glenn, chief executive of the FA admits he doesn't know much about football...

Anyone watching the FA statement right now. What a pair of clowns. Apparently they feel that Englands football has really stepped on from 4 years ago and playing much much better...

Yes that seems drastic. I know a few immigrants who are specialists in medicine and engineering who receive EU funding for their development work at UK universities, having to in all likelihood stop the research and leave UK now and continue it in a different country.