coldel

I am sure the internet meme's, those in the public believed, are right and the treasury reports available online to anyone are wrong. Sure of it.

I tell you what would be funny, if it wasn't actually £350m a week at all, can you imagine, if it was something like just two thirds of that That our now PM deliberately misled the public, can you imagine that!

Looking forwards to this £350m a week we will have to spend come November...

...and he's in, after his 'brief' statement Looking forwards to his pledges around never letting Heathrow build a 3rd runway, increasing 40% tax threashold to 80k and sticking 20,000 extra coppers on the street.

Its a shame Spitting Image isn't still around, their sketch of Boris meeting Trump would be TV gold

Pretty sure we are 20 mins away from Bumbling Boris becoming prime minister...

Not sure how good the roads would be heading north to south, you are driving away from the best ones

I presume you mean Festival of Speed Bri? I did the whole stay over with some mates who travelled down from Middlesbrough - they had a combo of tents and a motorhome. Also had a pop up cover to stand under at night with the BBQ! They had a great time and over the course of a few days there is plenty to see, it takes a good few days to walk around everything. Do bear in mind its weather impacted, I went on the Sunday this year and it threw it down all day which made for a bit of an anti-climax, the cars cant drive up the hill that quickly, and the schedules get changed/cancelled. But if you are there for 4 days then you will I am sure get at least a few days good weather, you would be unlucky in July to have rain each day!

Arent the Ford Focus RS the equivalent of the Escort RS cars? Didn't the Focus replace the Escort?

Welcome along - I would browse the subforum you have just posted in it is full of videos, reviews etc. You need to quote a budget, you have lower end stuff like Cobra and much higher end titanium options if you are willing to spend a few thousand. Browse a few trader sections like Tarmac, Torqen etc. on here too who offer up good insight into exhaust options. Most people go for sports cats alongside the exhaust, rather than decats, just to make the MOT that bit easier.

Does this count

Just for fun, given the recent Supra re-birth (love it or hate it) what other cars of distant past do you think should be reborn, and why? I saw in the flesh the new NSX the other day, and it did look glorious.

I would argue Sex is binary, not Gender.

Chances are I can see Boris collapsing on the whole thing anyway under pressure from all the religious groups, so it's probably going to be a non-event anyway.

Well end of series already, that was quick! My summary: Some good specials, some a bit average/poor Celebrity bit is shockingly bad Seems like the show is a bit short on car reviews FF is definitely the weak link, but shone a little in the last episodes Iceland racing Paddy was better than expected although he is already wearing on me a bit CH is getting better and better

When you provide a link to the data showing that teaching children about true family relationships is confusing and damaging to them, I will do the work for you and pull out the data from the reports... ...I suspect the best outcome is to end the debate here and see what is actually implemented this September. If we see five year olds running around suddenly confused that they now have to consider their friends might not have a traditional old fashioned mummy and daddy scenario whilst they are still learning up to their times tables, reading, writing, religion, science, art, multiple sports, foreign languages, crafts, history, space so on and so forth, I will gladly stand corrected that it was far too much for them to take in and should have stuck to the aforementioned simple stuff Personally I am interested to see how this pans out for my son as he is at a CoE school - clearly not anywhere on a level with other highly religious schools which push a selected religion onto children as there are children of other faiths/non faiths like myself there, but will be interested to see whats implemented.

Its in the data, teachers are not equipped at primary and secondary school to deal with LGBT style questions from children this is called out time and again across multiple studies, primary age covers 4 and above. And as above, they are not making a special class, this idea needs to go away as its fabrication at this stage, they are making teaching inclusive and consistent. Not sure if people feel threatened as a parent that people feel that they cannot answer this question for children, but big percentages in the data show teachers need support and a consistent framework to educate children - if kids were being educated at home sufficiently, nearly 100% of teachers wouldnt have said they have had to deal with questions around LGBT issues, unless of course you ignore that evidence. There is also evidence in the reports that show that early adopter schools that have adopted LGBT learning as part of family education have reduced LGBT bullying by over 50% - these are real numbers, not anecdotes, real data based on implementation. As Stu hinted to, you can either hide from it and have it dealt with in an inconsistent way/hope that all parents have a fair view on it, which as we know is not going to be true as homophobia/religious rejection/poor understanding is a thing. When educating children we can give schools the framework to work around it an educate children when discussing relationships in primary schools / sexual relationships in secondary schools. Personally I am for the latter that being informed in the right way, a consistent way, around the modern world, is best for children. I also get that people are never going to agree on this, so kinda think I will leave it there now

The funny thing is that this is part of a wider change to teaching this year, yet the media focuses on this specific thing to generate hate around it. The wider change is covering many facets that are now part of children's lives that the current curriculum is so old and out of date that it ignores. Health teaching will now focus on many things such as mental health, how to look after yourself, recognise when your friend might be in trouble or to sensible self care such as being outdoors, spending time with friends, being social, getting enough sleep etc. Clearly excessive time on electronic devices can become unhealthy, the dangers of posting online and how that might impact children further down the line (some adults celebrities could learn from this too!).

The first place is to go to the stonewall site and click the research pages - they commission YouGov to do their research, an independent research agency. Yes you could argue it might be biased if they are commissioning it but they do outline the methodology, large sample sizes, and its run by an independent agency which gives it's recommendations. The 2014 Teachers Report would be a good starter for ten, a stack of stats in there that show teachers concerns, the situations they are in, the lack of support. It's very prevalent and has been proven with evidence for some years. We haven't seen the actual implementation of this yet, but I would be surprised if its like what people who are against it are thinking, we need to give teachers more credit than the basic idea that it will be 'LGBT lesson today everyone, boys dress in pink girls in blue!'- read the research recommendations, it might be an eye opener.

Just because one person who is gay acts like a idiot why is that an issue? What of the other hundreds of gay people you have probably encountered in your lifetime who haven't been idiots? What of all the non-gay people that have been idiots? Unfortunately the world is full of idiots, you just have to be the bigger guy and walk away, but that shouldn't be a behaviour altering incident, unless you want it to be?

I certainly have anecdotal evidence as previously said my sons best friend, since he started school at 4, has two mummy's. I would certainly imagine any other child with similar circumstances will be asking the same questions all over the country - why does my best friend not have a daddy, that's a question I personally was asked. As far as I read it what will happen at primary school level is that instead of children being completely unaware that these relationships exist as a family, it will be more inclusive in how families are taught in class i.e. visuals etc. when doing family teaching will be representative i.e. it wont just be mummy+daddy+2.2 children, in the same way that all the visuals are not just of white people, as to properly represent what the reality is.

Clearly you cannot teach children everything, it has to be selective and relevant. What makes you think teachers will need to teach depression and suicide? I am sure if you cut the population by say economic region depression and suicide increases, I don't see depression and suicide having to be taught in economic regions where it's most prevalent. Its probably the same for race, cut that a certain way and certain groups have higher levels, so whats the issue here? All groups of every cut of society do good and bad things. Anyway that is a distraction and a side issue that isn't part of the debate, what is being taught to primary school children is to understand relationships i.e. how families are constructed and that all are equal. I have no problem with those conversations instead of being the old fashioned route of 'heres mummy and daddy' to being more understanding that not every kid in the class has a mummy and daddy, it's fundamentally unfair to ignore children in that way just because they are in the minority. There are materials being prepared such as visuals which show more than your traditional combo of happy daddy, mummy, and 2.2 children. Previously there was nothing, teachers were struggling to consistently address the questions coming from pupils, often doing more harm than good, the government has decided to put in place a consistent set of guidelines that are fair on everyone. I don't see this as a bad thing, this is not a conspiracy to brainwash children.

TT350. Not defensive at all, but posting up further right or left wing propaganda is hardly a point of debate here - maybe it would be on something like a free for all PistonHeads thread but having met so many people from here I would think we are a bit better than that. I understand you have a point of view, and have read it, and thats fine, but propaganda videos serve very little purpose - if someone posted up a video stand alone of some 'leftie' going on I am sure you would have enjoyed pulling it apart. The way I see it is there is a small number of lefties that are what you might call offended at everything, but that's their right, what is wrong are people shouting 'snowflake' and making comments that they are 'having their feelings hurt' as much as someone right wing would not want to be called a racist or a bully. In the case of the LGBT for example this has been pushed out to 'left wing silliness' when in fact its a very relevant subject children face into day to day, teachers and ex-pupils have expressed concern about how they tackle the subject. The government have taken on board feedback from loads of sources and put out a consistent text and guideline to schools. Face into it and explain in simple terms to children this is part of families when they teach about families, its real and its relevant. I get how religious groups have rallied against it though. People are talking more than ever, I can have a rational chat about politics, sorry if it comes across as aggressive but its to the point and not personal.

They are teaching children about relationships that exist for each child's immediate family - this is hugely relevant and the fundamentals of education at a young age is 'draw a picture of your family'. They aren't confused they are more than capable at the age of 7 understanding that some children have mummy's and no daddy's and vice versa, my son had his friends mummy and mummy scenario filled in for him, took a few minutes, he gets it now, its a non issue for him, he isn't confused at all and now understands that is how some relationships work - or maybe he is some sort of super genius. You are launching yourself off down the road about hate as adults, and yes I hinted at that on one post, but that is not the issue here you are making that the focus. Children at 7 are being taught about difference in relationships (not sexual differences relationship differences) because it is there everyday in front of them. If anything if they are not told why some of their friends have no daddy and two mummy's they will be even more confused - if that is purely your rationale?

Hugely right wing interviewer interviews right wing psychologist, which proves what exactly? He isn't challenged on any of the issues he raises, she says 'yes yes yes' as he is speaking, nothing more than a biased propaganda video - not sure what we are meant to draw from this? But am going to call it out, the whole teaching of LGBT in schools is a religious back-lash as its against what their books tell them to do. Nothing else, it's not about morals, or influence or anything else - otherwise why teach religion to children? Surely let 'kids be kids' do not burden them with having to adopt a religion at such a young age. It will be interesting to see what happens as there has been a backlash today from pro LGBT groups that the government hasn't reacted quick enough to educate protesters about what exactly is being taught to each age group and why it is being taught.