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TM is also unelected, if you read the letter from the EU congratulating TM is specifically uses the word 'reappointed' - TM is still an unelected PM hence the coalition agreement.

I honestly think May will be gone within a year - with brexit about to start I can see why it would make sense not to resign and leave us completely in lurch but surely after all thats come before she is not credible any more. Soon as talks underway I wonder if at the right point she is quickly and efficiently replaced...

I downloaded the manifesto on my work laptop but now at home without it and now cannot get back on their site - hence the rather vague list above http://www.mydup.com/publications What isn't lost on me is the rather ironic series of events that just a couple of weeks ago had the Tories mudslinging at Corbyn for having associated himself with rather unsavory people in Northern Ireland and now they are relying on Unionists to keep them in government

Some of the quotes coming from the DUP around 'we are in a strong negotiating position' are worrying given they clash with the Tories on quite a lot of stuff: 1. border control in brexit 2. triple lock pensions 3. certain benefits Be interesting to see how much negotiating it takes to get these two together and what impact it has on the brexit plan.

If you fancy a rather satirical view of the result you tube Jonathan Pie Can't post it here for profanity reasons but it is hilarious but also quite true

To be fair if you read what actually happened on the nuclear issue he said he still stands by his views but the party went against those views so he withdrew his view and allowed the party view to come through in the manifesto. So no, he doesn't now support nuclear weapons. I agree he promised the world somewhat without thought for how he would actually do it - but it was smart, he knew he was never going to win but he could see the longer game of getting support on promises he wouldnt have to fulfil, more seats in the house, sets them up against what is now a coalition government - he's in a strong position to win the next election.

We assume the Tories are ready to go on EU discussions, but unless someone can pop the evidence on the table and show us I will leave it as just that, an assumption. As for the plan itself, they should have started on it 12 months ago instead dithered for 6 months and then called a ridiculous election of which the reason for it has failed spectacularly. We are now in a worse position of negotiation than we were a few months ago with a coalition influencing the hard Brexit May had planned, we have no idea what assurances the DUP were given for instance they are against hard border controls and so on. Clearly Labour would have been starting from scratch from a party point of view but they would still have had access to the same civil servants that the Tories have now working on the plan. That doesn't mean they would be off and running, but its not sensible to think they would be starting from zero.

...and UKIP losing tens of thousands of pounds in lost deposits - ouch.

Yes the DUP are hardly a bunch of angels - they are climate change deniers etc as well from what I remember (happy to be corrected) amongst other things

He was saying (as was Thornberry last night) no deals no coalition. I guess they are playing the long game and looking to the next election or some idea of a minority government? In other election news Dianne Abbot smashed it in Hackney North improving her majority

Apparently David Davis was the guy pushing the snap election and May went with it - far too much confidence up front and far too much complacency when campaigning. I am with you on congratulating Corbyn, despite having views that are a bit out there came across a much more engaging, he actually seemed to be enjoying going up and down the country and facing into people and their concerns than May who seemed to duck out at every opportunity - cannot remember such a monumental balls up

Blimey, Paul Nuttall has gone...who would have thunk it.

Every time I click the link on the DUP site to download the manifesto it crashes...a few people reading up it seems!

TM is off to Buck Palace to ask permission to form a government by all accounts - can only assume that means pulling in the DUP. They I am sure will want as soft brexit as part of the deal (free movement etc). Sat here shaking my head as I type...what a mess.

That's democracy for you and actually shows how much the EU referendum caused so many problems splitting votes out to marginalized parties to chase single policies. So yes I agree it is crazy but as I said the EU referendum should never have gone ahead. Is it idiotic though to try and sort this out, I don't think so. Does the UK trust TM to navigate the next 5 years of brexit work, not a chance. Just read what the EU ministers are tweeting, everything points to a worse outcome for the UK if she stays - regardless of whats gone before the best future for the UK is not under an unelected PM with no confidence.

Theresa May has not been democratically voted in, she failed to win a majority government and took the country into a bad place. The vote is a clear indication that there is a lack of confidence in her ability to lead the UK through Brexit - the same is being said of every senior politician across the EU. What is idiotic is continuing down a path that will shape the country forever with the wrong person at the wheel. I would rather we pause, sort it out, and go again than pretend it will all be ok.

You could therefore argue all the older people that voted leave for the EU were equally less equipped to vote that way (as all sensible options if you read up on it said stay) - but who is to say...

It was a shocker - she came across as aloof, as above politics itself as if she could just run and hide and everything would still turn out ok. For me she made too many concessions and didn't stick to her guns - something which is going to be severely tested in brexit negotiations. She just did not connect with people - its so important to do this and she failed miserably especially ducking out the debates. Boris? He was out there, here he is achieving his life long dream of meeting my son Alfie... Funny thing was if you look in the background you can see an ice cream on the floor, just before this photo Boris trod in it and my dad being somewhat quick witted whilst taking the photo said 'put your foot in it again Boris' all the security who you can see in the background were sniggering, Boris found the joke 'kinda' funny...!

Its a political nightmare. They could go for points scoring but then the opposition state they are holding back the country etc. to turn public opinion. May has created chaos, to term a phrase the Tories liked to use. Before we had a government in place with a majority until 2020, now we have a coalition with a weak leader wasting valuable time.

Not sure mate but have a read here https://fullfact.org/europe/what-happens-if-parliament-rejects-brexit-deal/ in another of TMs folding under pressure moments she promised a parliamentary vote on the exit deal.

But then how do you set that criteria? Its certainly nothing to do with age. Its one of the delights of democracy that anyone can vote a party in but I agree we should not have had a referendum on the EU as too many people voted with their emotions with no clue what they were actually voting for.

Yes, if they had it would have been something like 60/40 stay but hey whats done is done. 70 odd percent younger voters this year compared to 40 percent in 2015. It is a faff for these youngsters to have to get up, leave the house and actually physically go and vote rather than do it via twitter but hey I think they are getting into the swing of it Anyway, I would also say this is a vote for a soft brexit, not the hard nosed vague option May was putting forwards. She clearly is the wrong person to take this country forwards, a weak leader who ran from any confrontation. She has to go.

Why do you think it's a good thing? Well it speaks for itself doesn't it? Anyone of adult age voting for who they feel should be running the country rather than any demographic/gender/age bias has to be more fair and representative of the countries feelings by default.

Yes youngsters getting on board is a really good thing to have, they clearly had impact.

Latest: Tories in talks with DUP for coalition government. Well that worked a treat TM, stable and strong.