The G Man

Im actually speechless at this, if you really believe that then you seriously need to pull your head out Salmonds arse. Jesus. If I didn't believe it buddy, I would vote no, what's so hard to understand?

Some people see it. Key word is highlighted for you, Rome wasnt built in a day nor will the new reformed Scotland, Having the potential and being are two different things, ive the potential to be a Formula Drift driver but it would take years or practice and networking, right now Scotland is paying all its taxes to the UK bank account, which is large and can pay for stuff, How big is the interdependent Scottish bank account? big enough to cover everything the first few months that UK stops paying back? i dunno Lets put it this way i dont know the exact numbers so im going to do it very simple each month Scotland pays 5 billion back to its nationals and the rest of the UK (not england) put in 5 billion aswell So scotland has been used to having 10 billion each month to live off now you walk away from the UK, youve got 10 billions pounds of outgoings but only 5 billion to pay it ? yes over ten years you could build up that amount but what the first thing that will happen tax increase Highlighted the same for ya

Are we talking about the newly privatised "Royal Mail", only investers own that, not QE1 of Scotland or QE2 of England have a say anymore

The English will never do this mate, sad I know

Some people see it.

You, my good man, need to calm down and enter the reasoned debate, are people banned from Europe, who are not wanting to be in the EU? It'll be up to the owners/members if they wish to ban foreign nationals, then that's ok buddy. again your not reading are you, i didnt say banning scottish people from the UK, Curious to a degree how much of the Scottish military items such as tanks, lorrys etc are payed for by the UK government, and assuming you went interdependent the UK would have all right to bring its belongings back to it own land, What would that leave the Scottish army like sizes wise? You're not reading what you've typed. "Does this also mean that any Scottish users will be banned from this site with it being 350z-UK not 350z-UK-SCOT, as if they they dont want to be a part of us (uk) in that sense they shouldn't be in any sense" is what you typed, I replied with an analogy. I wasn't aware that there was a Scottish military!?! But I guess you meant, what proportion are paid by taxes gathered from Scotland, roughly about the same as the English contribute as a pro rata. One of the main drains on this particular subject is Trident. Sure it employs a few thousand people, but I'm sure the proportion of money from Scottish taxpayers that goes on this, would finance a small army, navy and airforce. What has the size of the military got to do with anything regarding self governance?

It affects all nationalities that live in Scotland, so really that's the only ones that should have a say.

You, my good man, need to calm down and enter the reasoned debate, are people banned from Europe, who are not wanting to be in the EU? It'll be up to the owners/members if they wish to ban foreign nationals, then that's ok buddy.

That's the problem buddy, you seem tio think that we shouldn't have "rights". I would like to make sure that it's me that ensures rights, not Westminster. ****ing a simple question, where did i say Scottish people shouldn't have rights as i cant see that, So your happy to be ****ed over by the government along as the person declaring it is scottish? Simple answer, look at what you said, it's in the quotes "But if you they do go yes and get there own rights", I thought I had equal rights, obviously there's a misconception as to what "rights" we should or shouldn't have by Westminster, if it's about "rights"

Quite right Dan. Only Scottish Independence will ensure that Englands needs are looked after by the Westminster parliament, and there'll be no interference by cuckold Scottish Labour MPs.

That's the problem buddy, you seem tio think that we shouldn't have "rights". I would like to make sure that it's me that ensures rights, not Westminster.

I'm proposing Independence, so that you don't have to worry about my tax, and concentrate on your own. If you think what you pay is enough for all the major Infra projects in that corner of England, crack on.

Scotland can use the pound, but if Westminster doesn't go for a currency union, it would be giving up any input on fiscal policy and the ability to be a lender of last resort (think bank bail out). Countries like Ecuador and Panama use the US dollar, but that means they have to run at a surplus and have no control over exchange rates or any ability to print money. Long term it can't work, but short term it could whilst they figure out a plan. However, the interesting question is whether Westminster will actually follow through on it's threat to refuse a currency union. The Euro is a shambles of an idea in itself, how on earth vastly different economies like Germany and Greece can be treated the same is something I've never understood to be at all workable. The alternative of having a Scottish currency is it would be extremely volatile, with no credit history and no one would really know what it was worth and if the people shat their pants and started withdrawing all their pounds out the banks, all hell would break loose. Imagine if your bank rang up and said to you, "We're converting all your life savings to a new currency called the **** please don't withdraw it all in sterling now, try not to worry, it might even be worth more". It'll be extremely interesting to see what happens to currency if Yes wins. I'd guess a currency union, but it's a bit of a gamble to make with everyone's money north of the border. I'd be more worried about Sterling mate, currency without resources = depression = crash = disaster without the taxes that Scotland pay into the Exchequer (not counting PAYE)

It is, see my earlier post, you should be paying more tax.

Government estimates show, in the last 33 years, Scotland hasgenerated more tax per head than the UK as a whole, source Government Expenditure and Review 2012/13. So the money that is spent, in England that is not in the public eye, is over and above the major infra projects such as HS2, hmmm, but Scotland has paid more in tax with the SAME "hidden" costs, with no 40-50 billion capital projects in the, erm, pipeline. That's fair

"Even excluding North Sea output and calculating per capita GDP only by looking at onshore income, Scotland would qualify for our highest economic assessment" Source: Standard and Poor's credit rating agency. 'Assuming a geographical allocation of North Sea oil and gas production, the Scottish economy would rank among the top 50 in the world by size of GDP, and would be relatrively wealthy, richer than the rest of the UK and in the top 20 countries globally in terms of GDP per head" Source: Financial Times, Feb 2014. "By international standards Scotland is a wealthy and productive country. There is NO doubt that Scotland has the potential to be a successful indipendent nation" Source: Fiscal Commission Working Group, first report, P23.

It's inevitable really, emotions are starting to run high on both sides of the debate and it doesn't really matter who wins. I would have preferred a thumping Yes Or No vote but that's not going to happen, it's too close to call and there'll be a lot of angry people once the result is known. Pete Hahaha rotfl

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Any particular bits or is this just Salmond style response? Salmond actually done amazing in the debate the other night against Alistair Darling and did have some very good points. If anybody wishes to watch its below. He did do much better in the debate, but the best debater wins a debate, that's not the same as the best idea winning the debate. Any particular bits or is this just Salmond style response? A couple of bits, well most bits, actually all the bits, but hey, that's the beauty of it buddy. Alex Salmond is not the referendum, that's what most in the south don't get, not your fault but if your fed pish by the conservative, unionist press, then by default you are gonna think pish. Think along the lines of a jihadist, fed pish and acts like they are fed pish, not the individual's fault but it's all they know and are fed. Let's just see what happens. If the ramblings of a few right wing bigots that have 'Scotland's interests at heart' and work in Westminster can't debate it and see the writing on the wall, what idiots voted for them. Even if it's a no vote, it won't go away, change is scary for most but you gotta roll with it I didn't mention Salmond in my post, I realise he is not the issue, it's much bigger. As you've brought him up though despite his Standard Grade Body Language Studies forcing him to step out from behind the lectern to "engage", his dismissive attitude and talking over people on subjects that don't suit his agenda, fairly reeks of a man whose priority is a separate state, not a better economy. Lets face it, you can have all the national identity you want, but it doesn't provide job or hospitals or schools. As for the jihadist perspective, not everyone in England laps up the government's right wing rubbish, just because it's on TV or being pedalled by Murdoch publications. I don't think they have even got England's best interests at heart, let alone Scotland's, they're in it to make money for the ruling classes - simple as. Anyone who wants power, is precisely the wrong person for the job. If having Scotland in the UK helps keep at least some of those people in check, all the better for England. Equally, that doesn't mean everything they say is a lie. Particularly around currency, national debt and the huge dependency on future Scotland (say 50 years away) being based on a finite resource as it's main source of income. I'm not against change, but change for a reason, not change for change's sake. At the minute, Scotland has some proper policies we can only wish for in England, like free prescriptions and higher education. If I was voting, I'd be thinking about what else could be improved for the people via the Scottish Parliament, whilst retaining the benefits of being part of a larger, more diverse economy. Not being a brand new, unknown economic quantity, in an enormous global financial market. I'm too shagged at the mo to dissect this, I'll have a go tomoz, but on a quick scan, still a lot of pish in there (haven't got the full range of smilies)

I do at the minute buddy It'll all come good in the end

My brother in law is black, when his family came over to London in the fifties they met a lot of anti black racism, so does that mean that everybody in London is/was a racist? No. Just like everyone in Scotland isn't anti English, no offence meant again, but these bone analogies/stories mean nothing.

Any particular bits or is this just Salmond style response? A couple of bits, well most bits, actually all the bits, but hey, that's the beauty of it buddy. Alex Salmond is not the referendum, that's what most in the south don't get, not your fault but if your fed pish by the conservative, unionist press, then by default you are gonna think pish. Think along the lines of a jihadist, fed pish and acts like they are fed pish, not the individual's fault but it's all they know and are fed. Let's just see what happens. If the ramblings of a few right wing bigots that have 'Scotland's interests at heart' and work in Westminster can't debate it and see the writing on the wall, what idiots voted for them. Even if it's a no vote, it won't go away, change is scary for most but you gotta roll with it

Don't hold back George. Fence sitter, my nickname

No disrespect mate, but ^^ that is pure mentalist pish.