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I was enjoying reading that up until it said "hate won"... then I stopped reading.

First post updated with Grahams draw and the lucky winner!

Thanks, if I hear nothing in 10 mins I'll remove their names, shuffle the name list and find a mod to draw a number between 1 & 34.

20 minutes to go and only synx & ASemper to donate, they haven't replied to my PMs so unfortunately it looks like we'll have to drop them. In the interest of fairness, please would someone double check the just giving page to confirm they haven't donated? A second pair of eyes is always a good thing.

4% is quite a margin, it's enough for Cameron to resign over the "decisive" result. Turnout for the EU referendum in Scotland was 67% while in Wales it was 72% and in England 73%. However I guess you mean for the Scottish independence referendum which saw 85% turnout, the highest figure since the 1910 general election where no women and less men were allowed to cast a vote so you'd expect a higher turnout percentage.

From this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-36647948 Did anyone else read that as "hey, 48% of the population, vote for me please"?

Still 5 left to donate, a final call PM has been sent making sure the deadline of midday tomorrow is official.

As much as I dislike Farage, he's actually quite accurate today: I think Cameron also understands that one of the main leave arguments was regarding the perceived lack of democracy in the EU, anything other than leaving now will compound that... or maybe he's just returned to his anti-EU position he held a few years ago, in fact maybe it was all just a ploy for us to leave and he's been really clever... Where's my tin foil hat?

if 1.9% hadn't voted leave then it would have been 50% leave vs 48.1% remain. *shrug*

I honestly hope not. The table showing all ignored/accepted/re-voted referendums in the past seems to be bandied about as a hope that Brexit might not happen, however that same table was one of my reasons for wanting to vote leave! The EU isn't democratic, just looking at the EU constitution where France & Holland voted against it, so they reworded it and called it the Lisbon treaty which Ireland voted against... and the EU forced it through anyway forcing Ireland to have a second vote after they were awarded loads of money from the EU. If Brexit goes to a second referendum then it simply proves the point that democracy in the EU is dead and I'll want out on that point even more. I'm surprised we currently have 12, most of the trade agreements are either between the EU and someone else or the terms we can agree to are limited by the EU... back to the Kenyan coffee discussion. At least we've just found another X00 jobs. 1.8%? It was 51.9% vs 48.1%... so 3.8%? Unless you're referring to a swing between the expected and actual results or something that I missed?

I don't believe it will be risked, worst case scenario is a 4% tariff in line with the WTO but a) Germany would never allow that, we're in the top 3 of each others import/exports and b ) we buy more from Europe than any other country, why **** off your best customer? I doubt they'll risk ~16% of the EUs exports just to make a statement. EDIT: I can never remember not to use b ) instead of

We import more from the EU than the rest of the world, so having mostly cheaper imports due to the GBPEUR FX rate is a good thing. Monsieur Champagne will still sell me his doodaa for EUR6, but it will cost me £5 instead of £5.5. We export more to the rest of the world than we do from the EU, so having cheaper prices due to the GBPUSD/JPY/CHN FX rates means we're more competitive, I'll still sell my doodaa for £5, but to captain America it will cost him $6.5 rather than $8... also a good thing.

We import about 60+%, 10%, 7%, 1.6% of our imports from Europe, USA, China & Japan respectively. My point is that all the nay sayers on Facebook (or Adrian on here ) who are saying it's going to cost us our monthly wages for a Kenyan coffee imported from Germany are quite frankly wrong at the minute (there could be more FX rate changes on the way). 60+% approx of our imports which are from the EU will be cheaper than they were for 5 of the last 6 years. By the way I purposely used Kenyan coffee as an example. Currently Kenya aren't allowed to sell processed coffee to the EU, while the EU is happy to take their unprocessed beans the German coffee processing business has to be protected. So post Brexit maybe we'll actually get cheaper processed coffee direct from Kenya?

Actually we're still better off now against JPY than we were between 2009 - 2012, I don't remember paying more than the usual Nissan extortion prices for parts back then.

Interestingly, if you look at GBP vs EUR the pound is quite strong in comparison, not as strong as it's been for the last year or so but stronger than the 5 years leading up to that (end of 2008-mid 2014), so the cost of our imports from the EU will actually be cheaper than they were for most of the last 6 years based on FX rates fluctuations.

Pretty sure I did above before the vote.

Still 11 people to donate, I'll send PMs today as a reminder and set a deadline for Midday Wednesday. Hopefully one of the Mods will be available on Wednesday afternoon/evening to do the draw.

Admittedly I could have add a "some" before "people" in my previous post, but I didn't say "all" people who voted remain either. Sorry to quote you again Paddy, but as an example my FB feed is covered with stuff like this right now: To be fair, I blame the Leave campaigners and the press. When the main argument you see on repeat from them is "migration, migration, migration" I guess you can't help but feel as if anyone voting leave is agreeing with that point. I couldn't give a stuff about migration (considering my wife is from Paris quite the opposite), however I still want to know where the corruption (Statue of Mars penis anybody?), failing EU economy (50% unemployment in places, reduction in GDP as % of world GDP) type arguments were...

I refuse to accept that I backed the wrong side. I think leaving the EU is on par as an idea with America building a wall across the Mexican border. Xenophobia and ignorance have won the day... So basically you read the media's coverage on Brexit and decided you should remain based on that right? And anyone that voted leave is a racist? Quite frankly if you think that voting leave is equivalent to building a wall between the states and mexico then your vote shouldn't be counted! Don't get upset with me because you're now forever associated with the same demographic that read the sun, like Britain First and vote BNP. There were some interesting economic questions tabled by the Brexit campaign, but I personally couldn't get behind some of the worst detritus our political system can generate, who were so bitterly focused on stirring up intolerance and hatred that they failed to deliver any substantial plans for a Leave vote. Your leader has even come out this morning on TV and basically said that your main promise was complete horse sh!t... and I'm the one who shouldn't have been allowed to vote? I couldn't give a toss about what lies the politicians (of both sides) spouted, my vote was based on facts I could find and back up. I'm not upset, just rather disappointed that people who were voting remain have started assuming that the 52% of those who voted are racist. Booing Boris this morning when he left home?? Jesus! We're British for Christ sake, at least give a good old tut tut, drink your tea and commute to work like any other day!

Still 20 people to donate... I'll see how things are looking on Monday and send PMs to anyone that's still outstanding.

Too simple I think, I reckon a significant amount of today's rebound to the "economy" (i.e: the FTSE 100 according to the Facebookers) is likely to be foreign investors, they're spending less Euros/Dollars/Yen to get the same number of shares in Vodafone (or whichever FTSE 100 constituent you wish to pick) so it's actually a good time to buy for them, well this morning was a good time anyway, that boats probably sailed by now.

Until we initiate article 50 by 'hitting the red button' (as the press are calling it) nothing will change legally, sure there may be some sentiment involved along the lines of "I better find another supplier in the EU before the UK actually leaves just in case" but in general nothing will change for at least a few years... I think Boris is saying "make the most of the free trade while we can to provide as much time as possible to get trade deals in place".

I refuse to accept that I backed the wrong side. I think leaving the EU is on par as an idea with America building a wall across the Mexican border. Xenophobia and ignorance have won the day... So basically you read the media's coverage on Brexit and decided you should remain based on that right? And anyone that voted leave is a racist? Quite frankly if you think that voting leave is equivalent to building a wall between the states and mexico then your vote shouldn't be counted! Tell me about it! The amount of posts I've seen saying our "economy" has already lost £X on Facebook is getting on my nerves! If the FTSE 100 drops X then the economy hasn't lost X! The cash has simply been taken out of those stocks due to the possible risk, those who have taken their money out are likely to put it back in when the price is close to bottom.

By the way, I think the FTSE 100 is holding up fairly well today, I didn't expect it to be over 6000 at this point.

More media drivel, it would never happen! If it did I hope London gets the Kent/Essex side of the Thames and a Link to the eurotunnel so we don't have to cross the un-united kingdom for our exports/imports.